Lightning Archon Wizard

[Guest Dave]

I don't know what I am missing but with the greater rift solo build, how does one get the lightning stack for tal Tasha?

black hole and teleport give arcane, missile gives cold, and activating archon gives fire but how do we achieve lightning for the 4th?

[Arkpit 101]

2 hours ago, Guest Dave said:

I don't know what I am missing but with the greater rift solo build, how does one get the lightning stack for tal Tasha?

black hole and teleport give arcane, missile gives cold, and activating archon gives fire but how do we achieve lightning for the 4th?

When you are in Archon form, your beam will deal the damage type equal to the highest rolled on your gear so you want your "Lightning damage" to be your highest one on your gear in total.

[Guest Guest Dave]

2 hours ago, Arkpit said:

When you are in Archon form, your beam will deal the damage type equal to the highest rolled on your gear so you want your "Lightning damage" to be your highest one on your gear in total.

So when an item says 20% arcane damage I just need to reroll it to Lightning? So the 3rd and 4th stack happen when I pop archon and then attack?

Thank you!

[Arkpit 101]

On 2017-08-22 at 10:44 PM, Guest Guest Dave said:

So when an item says 20% arcane damage I just need to reroll it to Lightning? So the 3rd and 4th stack happen when I pop archon and then attack?

Correct with the Lightning damage, just reroll that but note that it is ONLY the actual beam (right-click) in Archon mode this goes for, the transformation into Archon is still Fire damage, as is the melee attacks in Archon. EDIT: Melee should still be arcane I believe.

Edited August 28, 2017 by Arkpit

[Datexx 1]

On 23.8.2017 at 8:24 AM, Arkpit said:

Correct with the Lightning damage, just reroll that but note that it is ONLY the actual beam (right-click) in Archon mode this goes for, the transformation into Archon is still Fire damage, as is the melee attacks in Archon.

I guess this is incorrect. Otherwise you would be able to proc a fire stack in archon after rhe first quadrastack ended. You are only able to get up a single stack (lightning ofc).

[Arkpit 101]

16 hours ago, Datexx said:

I guess this is incorrect. Otherwise you would be able to proc a fire stack in archon after rhe first quadrastack ended. You are only able to get up a single stack (lightning ofc).

It is not incorrect. You gain stack of fire when entering Archon form due to the explosion rune so thats fire initially going into Archon, lightning stacks from the beam (and beam only like I said) and then Arcane stacks from the default melee attack (which I made error about above).

Elemental damage% on gear is ONLY for the beam (right-click) and fire from the Archon rune explosion, then normal melee attack is still arcane damage.

Edited August 28, 2017 by Arkpit

[Datexx 1]

16 hours ago, Arkpit said:

It is not incorrect. You gain stack of fire when entering Archon form due to the explosion rune so thats fire initially going into Archon, lightning stacks from the beam (and beam only like I said) and then Arcane stacks from the default melee attack (which I made error about above).

Elemental damage% on gear is ONLY for the beam (right-click) and fire from the Archon rune explosion, then normal melee attack is still arcane damage.

You  would be able to maintain at least 2 tal rasha stacks over the whole archon uptime this way (after the first 4 stacks expired). But you definitely aren't able to get more than one stack.

I don't get what you mean...

[Arkpit 101]

4 hours ago, Datexx said:

You  would be able to maintain at least 2 tal rasha stacks over the whole archon uptime this way (after the first 4 stacks expired). But you definitely aren't able to get more than one stack.

I don't get what you mean...

And you should, the fire will obviously expire a while into archon but you get a bit of it and then you should be able to cycle Lightning+Arcane in Archon form by using all of your abilities in archon. Don't just use the beam.

[Guest nekomao]

can you double confirm this?
i tried transforming into archon and only have lightning element available with 4 vyr and 6 tal.

[Guest Tephnos]

It's wrong. You can only proc one stack of tal rasha while in archon.

[Arkpit 101]

9 hours ago, Guest nekomao said:

can you double confirm this?
i tried transforming into archon and only have lightning element available with 4 vyr and 6 tal.

Been away all day but I'll go and find whatever resources I got all this from before since somethings obviously not right >_<

5 hours ago, Guest Tephnos said:

It's wrong. You can only proc one stack of tal rasha while in archon.

My apologies if this is the case, could ahve sworn I've read that the ONLY thing affecting your archon damage should be the beam but I'm gonna have to double check those resources.

EDIT:
Pretty sure I've found out where I've gotten my misinformation from and it's me reading a line wrong *sigh*
Previous in this thread: "The Archon disintegration beam (or any other Archon attack) adds another TR stack, gets a bonus from Starfire, and triggers Paralysis/Manald."

What I must have done is read that part as "Not any other attack"... Sorry guys.

Edited August 29, 2017 by Arkpit

[Guest guest]

Just to clarify.

Entering archon with the Combustion rune chosen and having lightning as the highest elemental damage on gear procs tal rasha bonus two times, for fire and then the beam triggers lightning:
- the fire damage from combustion triggers fire for tal but ONLY once, when you activate the archon form
- on the other hand the lightning tal (because the highest ele damage is lightning in this case) is triggered constantly due to the beam dealing lightning damage.

Also as a side note %lightning doesn't affect manald's procs so as long as your ele damage is lightning it doesn't matter whether you have 15% or 20%.

[Guest Piddles]

I have created this Lightning Archon Wizard build and have been using Starfire.  I found this https://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/shard-of-hate (Shard of Hate) weapon and decided to try it out.  It seems so much more powerful.  Is the Starfire adding something integral to the build that I am missing?

 

[Guest guest]

On 9/25/2017 at 2:25 AM, Guest Piddles said:

I have created this Lightning Archon Wizard build and have been using Starfire.  I found this https://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/shard-of-hate (Shard of Hate) weapon and decided to try it out.  It seems so much more powerful.  Is the Starfire adding something integral to the build that I am missing?

 

People choose Starfire because it scales with Manald's Heal and fits good to the archon build playstyle (keep enemies at distance). Keep in mind perfectly rolled passive gives you 15% for every 10 yds, so that's 60% with perfect roll against enemies 40 yds away from you.

Shard of hate is a really poor choice as it doesn't proc Manald's Heal. It might be good in t13 or lower GRs for fast trash clearing, but if you aim high you should go Starfire. Only alternative to Starfire that might be considered is a Pig Sticker with really good rolls, as +%human damage and +%beast damage both scale with manald's heal.

[Guest Pastjungle]

I started playing Diablo 3 just a couple weeks ago and this was the first build I tried. There's something that I never really understood, and now that I've got a bit more experience than 2-3 weeks ago, I'm thinking there might just been a mistake in the solo-variation progression build.

 

" In order to achieve this, aim to activate Archon right at the end of the Cold Convention of Elements cycle and the first second of the Fire cycle. Since Tal Rasha stacks last for 8 seconds and Convention of Elements cycles last for 4, this will allow the Tals and Lightning rotations to end at roughly the same time, giving Archon the optimal time to cooldown."

 

Wouldn't that be "at the end of the Fire cycke and the first second of the Lightning cycle" ? It's really a small detail but since I started playing and not knowing any mechanics of the game, I was just blindly following this build because you guys definetly know what you're talking about. But in this case, I could never understand.

[Valks 2,375]

On 11/3/2017 at 1:57 PM, Guest Pastjungle said:

Wouldn't that be "at the end of the Fire cycke and the first second of the Lightning cycle" ? It's really a small detail but since I started playing and not knowing any mechanics of the game, I was just blindly following this build because you guys definetly know what you're talking about. But in this case, I could never understand.

I think it should be, yeah. I'll let Deadset know.

[Guest Asker]

I have a question about the video and the build in this article. In the video he used frostray but in the guide he use magic missle and and slow time.

Which build is now better and why?

[Valks 2,375]

15 minutes ago, Guest Asker said:

I have a question about the video and the build in this article. In the video he used frostray but in the guide he use magic missle and and slow time.

Which build is now better and why?

The video is of a variant with Archon Hydra. It's a slightly outdated video, but it still presents a good indicator of gameplay with the build. Use the guide on the site, not the one in the video.

[Guest crome]

HI

LIGHTNING HYDRA still proc paralize but no dmg proc from manald heal 

[Valks 2,375]

14 hours ago, Guest crome said:

HI

LIGHTNING HYDRA still proc paralize but no dmg proc from manald heal 

If it procs Paralysis, it will proc the damage of MH. The bug is that if you are using Hydra, your other attacks won't proc MH. This means you should only use Hydra on Rift Guardians or single-target elites.

[Guest Aeone]

Hello, i'm currently trying out the manald heal lightining archon build. Following the icy veins solo progression variation build, with only 1 deviation, wearing royal ring of grandeur with manald heal cubed, i seem to be having an issue. Currently, though only while in archon form, i go through times of doing no damage at all. I know i'm hitting the mobs because i can see my stuns and slows proc on them, but no damage. Other times i do damage as normal and melt everything my beam touches. While in arcon form i pop slow time, then hold beam active and use teleport to jump into groups of mobs. In my build i currently have 62.4% cdr, missing any cdr at all on my royal ring of grandeur while every other slot is max rolled. Past that my paper sheet shows me at just shy of 1 mil damage. I cannot complete grift 60 because of this damage issue. Any known bugs?

[Valks 2,375]

On 10/2/2018 at 1:48 AM, Guest Aeone said:

Hello, i'm currently trying out the manald heal lightining archon build. Following the icy veins solo progression variation build, with only 1 deviation, wearing royal ring of grandeur with manald heal cubed, i seem to be having an issue. Currently, though only while in archon form, i go through times of doing no damage at all. I know i'm hitting the mobs because i can see my stuns and slows proc on them, but no damage. Other times i do damage as normal and melt everything my beam touches. While in arcon form i pop slow time, then hold beam active and use teleport to jump into groups of mobs. In my build i currently have 62.4% cdr, missing any cdr at all on my royal ring of grandeur while every other slot is max rolled. Past that my paper sheet shows me at just shy of 1 mil damage. I cannot complete grift 60 because of this damage issue. Any known bugs?

The damaage from Manald Heal is completely random. There are times when it won't proc at all, times when it destroys boss packs in seconds. The most important thing is to properly proc the Tal'Rasha set before going into Archon for max damage bonus. 

Personally, if you want more reliable damage, I'd recommend playing the Vyr version of this build, I use it and find it far, far more reliable after having similar issues to you.

[Guest Archon spec Broken]

In response to Blainie, I think you misunderstood what i was saying. I wasn't referring to the low and high damage spikes of the class and spec. I was referring to a bug where while in archon form there are issues with doing ANY damage at all. Upon further research on the Bizzard Forum pages I've found that many others are complaining of suffering from the same bug. First comment on this was posted in Jan of 2017. As of yet this issue has not been addressed by Blizzard. From further game playing investigation I've noticed that is an issue with the Vyr set. Possible coding issue. While wearing Vyr set and gaining any of the Vyr set bonuses the bug may present itself. Specifically the bug affects damage while in archon form. Apparently not everyone has the bug present itself, but MANY do. The bug presents as no damage done with any of your archon abilities. By no damage i mean none, not zero, not extremely low. None. As you're hitting mobs with any archon ability there are periods where no damage displays and mob health is unchanged. There are also periods of damage as normal. It is confirmed that the mob is being hit during these periods of no damage because you can see your stun and slow proc's appearing on the mobs. I have posted on the Blizzard bug forum about this with the multiple others who seem to be experiencing this. As of yet, it seems, Blizzard has taken no action to correct this issue. I was hoping Maybe someone from this forum either had more information on this bug, as in how to address or fix it, or more weight on the Blizzard forum to possibly get this issue fixed. As it stands, this spec on this class is completely broken and near unplayable for me and several other people.

[Guest ButtHustla]

Is this build dated? I can only keep 1 stack from tal's while in archon... I read up to page 6, but after trying the build and only keeping 1 archon stack I came back and read the last half of page 6, and about half way through someone said they got misinformation and said you could use the melee attack to keep the 4 stacks up. That definitely doesn't work, cause all attacks turn to your highest element... I did a make-shift 6pc. vyr's + chantodo's and got to 80. I spent a ton of time and mat's to follow this guide and just want to be sure that I'm the one missing something obvious. Thnx!  ?

[Guest MrJCOreo]

Hey y'all.

 

With the upcoming changes to patch 2.6.4, does anyone foresee the buffs to Tal Rasha 6-set catapulting this build up again in relative competitiveness? I rather enjoyed this playstyle a few seasons ago (particularly the hydra variant) and would enjoy playing it again with the new buffs to wizard. I don't care to be pushing top 100 but I would at least like to be between top 500-750 without being 1500+ paragon by season end and was curious if this would be capable of pulling it off after the buff.

 

Appreciate any input. Danka.