Holy Priest 7.3

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/17/2016 at 7:10 PM, Zebber said:

I'd suggest putting it into practice yourself against the cacoon and seeing the outcome for yourself :)

I don't play a Priest personally, I'm just collecting data/information to report back to the writers! I'll pass on everything :)

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/23/2016 at 2:58 PM, Pookadoots said:

Was wondering if anyone knew of a possible stat priority change for us in 7.1.5. I noticed that only one piece of the tier set has mastery.

It's possible that the pieces are just very badly itemised. This is a problem for a number of specs and always will be. As for the stat priority change, if there is one, it will be updated in the guide when the patch goes live!

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[Ginger 2]

Has anyone been able to get some good data/feedback from the pros on what level of Haste seems to be most efficient in 7.1.5 with the Benediction/Piety style of play as far as Raiding is concerned?  I've been doing my own testing in Mythic+ and Kara with different levels of Haste (5/10/15/20% each) but I know that's not really the same thing.

I've got this terrible feeling that I'm going to step into Nighthold with way to much Haste, go ham wild and run oom halfway through the fight.

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16 hours ago, Ginger said:

Has anyone been able to get some good data/feedback from the pros on what level of Haste seems to be most efficient in 7.1.5 with the Benediction/Piety style of play as far as Raiding is concerned?  I've been doing my own testing in Mythic+ and Kara with different levels of Haste (5/10/15/20% each) but I know that's not really the same thing.

I've got this terrible feeling that I'm going to step into Nighthold with way to much Haste, go ham wild and run oom halfway through the fight.

I'll see if I can double check with our reviewer and let you know :)

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[Guest Jordbaer]

Hello :) I was just wondering if anyone is working on making a new BiS list for Holy priests? I'm kinda at a loss about what to aim for other than the obvious - trying to get my set bonusses from Nighthold :)

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On 1/28/2017 at 2:40 AM, Guest Stoosanub said:

Bottom of the last page in BIS section!

Thanks for the heads up! Will get it fixed!

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On 2/2/2017 at 10:48 AM, Guest Jordbaer said:

Hello :) I was just wondering if anyone is working on making a new BiS list for Holy priests? I'm kinda at a loss about what to aim for other than the obvious - trying to get my set bonusses from Nighthold :)

I can't promise anything, but I'll see what we can get done! Sorry for the wait! 

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[Jaconbacon1567 1]

looking at the guide, there are some inaccuracies with the talents in the Easy mode section:

Symbol of Hope should be Light of the Naaru and Surge of Light should be Piety.

[Valks 2,375]

18 hours ago, Jaconbacon1567 said:

looking at the guide, there are some inaccuracies with the talents in the Easy mode section:

In what way do you feel they are inaccurate? They line up with what is currently in-game on the talent tree.

They are both picked because they allow for more healing spam due to mana help, thereby making them easier to use/play Priest with.

[Seksi 208]

On 3/29/2017 at 1:17 PM, Blainie said:

In what way do you feel they are inaccurate? They line up with what is currently in-game on the talent tree.

They are both picked because they allow for more healing spam due to mana help, thereby making them easier to use/play Priest with.

Hey, even tho I'm reviewing the resto shaman guide currently I also play healing priest at one of the best 3 day raiding guilds in the world (Seksii @ Myst EU-Draenor / world 26th Helya mythic, 60th Gul'dan mythic) so thought I'd chime in and see what is being discussed in the other forums.

Jacon has a great point here, easy mode should definitely be changed from symbol and surge to light and piety respectively. The reasoning is simple: both are miles away from the current suggested options in throughput while the mana you lose is minimal at best.

Symbol of hope allows 12 sec of mana free casting (10.5 at best because it costs a GCD) with 6 minutes cooldown. It's not even any good to use with a raid full of healers currently, let alone solo, as in that situation its nearly twice as bad as Innervate which any resto druid will tell you is quite irrelevant in a 5 man where fights are short and you can drink between pulls.

Light of the Naaru on the other hand lets you use your holy words a lot more and hpriest's throughput lives and die by these (also, consider Divinity talent uptime).

About Surge of Light, flash heal isn't nearly as powerful as it used to be before 7.1.5, when Trail of Light was not its own effect but a 2nd copy of the flash heal effect, proccing Blessing of T'uure +20% healing effect and Amalgam's mana regen mechanic twice in one cast. That made it lose a lot of value.

Also, Piety was buffed to not only allow Prayer of Mending to reduce the cooldown on Holy Word: Sanctify but also reduce its cooldown by 2 sec baseline. This allows you to use a lot more prayers of mending, which in turn procs more renews from Benediction which in turn proc more holy mendings from traits, which in turn make your healing incredible. Not taking this talent on a Benediction build is basically a huge mistake in any situation.

Sorry for the wall of text but this was a pretty big one, is Zolvolt still reviewing / playing the game? :O

Edited March 31, 2017 by Seksi

[Guest Dith]

What about Etraeus Celestial Map? It not on the list of throughput trinkets, but many say its very strong for holy priests. Automatic Jak for instance, where he rates it third after Arcanocrystal and the Preserved Cake in his guide (https://www.automaticjak.com/guides/holy). Do you disagree, or did you forget to include that trinket? It seems pretty strong with base stat and equip effect.

[Seksi 208]

On 4/7/2017 at 0:39 PM, Guest Dith said:

What about Etraeus Celestial Map? It not on the list of throughput trinkets, but many say its very strong for holy priests. Automatic Jak for instance, where he rates it third after Arcanocrystal and the Preserved Cake in his guide (https://www.automaticjak.com/guides/holy). Do you disagree, or did you forget to include that trinket? It seems pretty strong with base stat and equip effect.

Like any high ilvl stat stick it should be pretty good.

[Valks 2,375]

On 3/31/2017 at 2:31 PM, Seksi said:

Sorry for the wall of text but this was a pretty big one, is Zolvolt still reviewing / playing the game? :O

Super late in actually replying here, but yeah he is! I'll pass all of this on and see if we can get things updated - thanks for stopping by!

[Valks 2,375]

On 4/9/2017 at 0:56 PM, Seksi said:

Like any high ilvl stat stick it should be pretty good.

Also, thanks for helping with this comment! :)

[Judhia 0]

Hi Icy-venis. I wanted to give you a personal feedback on the build of the holy priest and I don't know if this is the proper forum to do it. But as I was checking the talents on the tier lVl 30 you guys recommend Angelic Feather as best choice. I think it's cool but i have my theory that maybe the body and Mind is also a best choice. When you choose Surge of Light on tier 75 B&M, combined with B&M  is the best choice since sometimes activates SoL and I believe holy priest must be played as a long time healing for the less mana possible. 

Thx

[Valks 2,375]

19 hours ago, Judhia said:

Hi Icy-venis. I wanted to give you a personal feedback on the build of the holy priest and I don't know if this is the proper forum to do it. But as I was checking the talents on the tier lVl 30 you guys recommend Angelic Feather as best choice. I think it's cool but i have my theory that maybe the body and Mind is also a best choice. When you choose Surge of Light on tier 75 B&M, combined with B&M  is the best choice since sometimes activates SoL and I believe holy priest must be played as a long time healing for the less mana possible. 

Thx

The actual healing output of B&M is basically nothing though. Even with Surge of Light, B&M will barely make any difference. I would rather just put Renew on someone, get more healing from it and it's only a 2% mana cost, while still having a chance to trigger Surge of Light. I'm not sure what choosing B&M changes in this. Sure, it has no mana cost, but in the time you cast a B&M and wait for the next one to be ready, you could have used 3-4 Renews, even while waiting for mana regeneration.

[Seksi 208]

On 4/18/2017 at 3:45 PM, Judhia said:

Hi Icy-venis. I wanted to give you a personal feedback on the build of the holy priest and I don't know if this is the proper forum to do it. But as I was checking the talents on the tier lVl 30 you guys recommend Angelic Feather as best choice. I think it's cool but i have my theory that maybe the body and Mind is also a best choice. When you choose Surge of Light on tier 75 B&M, combined with B&M  is the best choice since sometimes activates SoL and I believe holy priest must be played as a long time healing for the less mana possible. 

Thx

The main issue with taking Surge of Light right now is that prayer of mending + sanctify combo (via Piety talent in the same row) allow you to do much higher healing for very little mana, while flash heal lost much of its power with the trail of light change (doesn't count as 2nd flash heal for proccing +20% heal trait and amalgam). So the power of the surge procs is small while the extra prayer of mendings and sanctifies are king in the current Nighthold / T19 2 piece set bonus meta.

This being said, Body and Mind can be a viable choice, for fights where you need a speed increase every ~10 sec like clockwork. It takes 10 sec to recharge with just 1 charge while feathers take a lot longer, but can store up to 3 charges. So if you need to use feathers very often you will end up not having them when you need them. This happened to me a lot in Mythic Helya due to the constant pressure to reposition due to the orb spawns, and so I took body and mind there to great effect. The healing effect from it is really small, however.

Edited April 19, 2017 by Seksi

[Valks 2,375]

19 hours ago, Seksi said:

The healing effect from it is really small, however.

Thanks again for helping! :)

[Jaconbacon1567 1]

On 3/31/2017 at 9:31 AM, Seksi said:

Hey, even tho I'm reviewing the resto shaman guide currently I also play healing priest at one of the best 3 day raiding guilds in the world (Seksii @ Myst EU-Draenor / world 26th Helya mythic, 60th Gul'dan mythic) so thought I'd chime in and see what is being discussed in the other forums.

Jacon has a great point here, easy mode should definitely be changed from symbol and surge to light and piety respectively. The reasoning is simple: both are miles away from the current suggested options in throughput while the mana you lose is minimal at best.

Symbol of hope allows 12 sec of mana free casting (10.5 at best because it costs a GCD) with 6 minutes cooldown. It's not even any good to use with a raid full of healers currently, let alone solo, as in that situation its nearly twice as bad as Innervate which any resto druid will tell you is quite irrelevant in a 5 man where fights are short and you can drink between pulls.

Light of the Naaru on the other hand lets you use your holy words a lot more and hpriest's throughput lives and die by these (also, consider Divinity talent uptime).

About Surge of Light, flash heal isn't nearly as powerful as it used to be before 7.1.5, when Trail of Light was not its own effect but a 2nd copy of the flash heal effect, proccing Blessing of T'uure +20% healing effect and Amalgam's mana regen mechanic twice in one cast. That made it lose a lot of value.

Also, Piety was buffed to not only allow Prayer of Mending to reduce the cooldown on Holy Word: Sanctify but also reduce its cooldown by 2 sec baseline. This allows you to use a lot more prayers of mending, which in turn procs more renews from Benediction which in turn proc more holy mendings from traits, which in turn make your healing incredible. Not taking this talent on a Benediction build is basically a huge mistake in any situation.

Sorry for the wall of text but this was a pretty big one, is Zolvolt still reviewing / playing the game? :O

Even though they are miles ahead was only pointing out the inaccuracies between the easy mode and the in depth guide. The two sections are saying to completely different things and figured that putting the same talents in 2 sections, especially a "TLDR" version should match, but the easy options dont even show Piety or Light of the Naaru. I understand they can be good an situations, but with the 2 set bonus in NH and CR in 7.2 Light of the Naaru and Piety are heavily value better than the others. Another ability on a shorter cd and helps reset Holy Words and give more free healing and also make the rotation feel more fluid will always be taken over free mana or free FHs.

 

Edit: You can also go into how theres a "raiding" spec and a "dungeon" spec in the easy mode. With ToL/Censure/SoL/and Apo/Bene for dungeons.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Jaconbacon1567

[Valks 2,375]

19 hours ago, Jaconbacon1567 said:

especially a "TLDR" version should match

The easy mode section isn't a TL;DR version of the full guide. It's a separate section intended for players that simply don't want to learn how to play the class in-depth, and basically just want the simplest possible way of playing a class.

From the guide itself:

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This page is intended for players who are new to the game or class, have no intentions of raiding Mythic difficulty, or simply want a more straightforward way to play their specialisation without being overwhelmed by the numerous subtleties and active abilities that need to be taken into consideration for optimal play.

Hope this clarifies the EM page.

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Why is the trinket Barbaric Mindlsaver mentioned 2 times in the gear section?