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This article contains spoilers related to Legion's ending and possibly, the next World of Warcraft expansion.

Our friends over at MMO-Champion managed to get ahold of broadcast NPC text (the quotes you see in the game chat when NPCs are talking). From the conversation lines we get to know Legion's ending.

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The second leak is about Legion's next expansion. Blizzard added new icons and textures for questing gear related to a zone that doesn't exist yet, in a similar fashion how Goblins & Worgen were revealed through masks.

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The "Jaina is a dreadlord theory" intensifies. I'm not sure how will I react if this turns out to be true. Jaina has always been one of my favorite characters in the lore, but would make a lot of sense if she actually died in Theramore and a Dreadlord took her place. Would be better than her being her and stabbing everyone in the backs.

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  On 7/8/2017 at 2:37 PM, Valhalen said:

The "Jaina is a dreadlord theory" intensifies. I'm not sure how will I react if this turns out to be true. Jaina has always been one of my favorite characters in the lore, but would make a lot of sense if she actually died in Theramore and a Dreadlord took her place. Would be better than her being her and stabbing everyone in the backs.

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Meh, I think they'll go the route of hero-turned-villain by sorrow. Remember how much she lost in the last couple of years.

As for the new zones, I'd really like a new race as well. Been a while since we had one  :D

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  On 7/8/2017 at 2:37 PM, Valhalen said:

The "Jaina is a dreadlord theory" intensifies.

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We all know Jaina is a Death Knight though - you can see it in the Hearthstone's new expansion trailer 1.0 But yeah, not sure whether to jump on the bandwagon, or to go 'nah' instead.

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  On 7/8/2017 at 3:08 PM, Dejo93 said:

Meh, I think they'll go the route of hero-turned-villain by sorrow. Remember how much she lost in the last couple of years.

As for the new zones, I'd really like a new race as well. Been a while since we had one  :D

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I would love a new race as well, always wanted to play as a Dragonoid from one of the remaining dragon flights, or if they do a Naga expansion let us play as Naga who defected to our side and let them be both horde or alliance like the Pandaren. Or Ogres would be kind of neat too I guess, if they don't make them pretty much giant orcs, or at the very least I think they should let us change the skin of orcs to be pure blood brown like Garrosh or Fel orcs, and the Tauren should get Moose like antlers to look more like the ones like Highmountain

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I still say Jaina is queen Azshara. But now it sounds like Alleria is the new Big Bad. Interesting  

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  On 7/8/2017 at 6:52 PM, MrEdren said:

I still say Jaina is queen Azshara.

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That makes even less sense than the Dreadlord theory. First of all this would have meant Jaina was the queen all this time (As opposed to a lackey of the Legion, which could simply have happened because of all the shit going on all the time), which would mean she wouldn't even have bothered with something like Tirisfall and simply been working as a neutral in Dalaran and keeping a relatively low profile instead of the lackey of Stormwind.

 

She even helped circumvent that Undercity was taken by Varimathras - something Queen Azshara would not have done (Why go against the Titan you swore your allegiance to and gives you all the power you want?)

She also wouldn't have bothered even a tiny bit with regards to Arthas, both as a love interest at first (Queen Azshara totally considers the human race to be far inferior to the Highborne) and Lich King as later. Despite of how much a bad ass the Lich King is and a threat to Azeroth, it pales in comparison to Queen Azshara both in power and army.

 

Lore-wise, you can have full Saronite armor that makes you immune to magic, but good luck with that against the elements and celestial magic (Let us not forget that Azshara was - by far - considered the strongest when it came to Arcane magic even before the powers of Sargeras). So pure spells wouldn't work against the armor, but good luck preventing a meteorite or star from absolutely murdering you. Quite similar as Illidan did during that instance where he used celestial/arcane magic to annihilate the giant infernal, except that Aszhara is a much stronger caster, again, before even getting Sargeras' power.

 

There are so many contradictory motives for Jaina to be Queen Azshara that it is more plausible that Uther was actually a Murloc in disguise.

 

Unless you think Archmage Antonidas, Archmage Khadgar, Archmage Modera and Archmage Aethas are not able to see through illusions, of course. Which is even more preposterous than your former assumption.

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How do we know for certain it's Jaina he is referring to? To me, he is making clear suggestions of Sylvanas when I look at his Horde quotes; but could really mean anything, given that I think they seem to change their minds about the character development of any given character half way through an expansion. 

"Shattered mask"... Is exactly what the Forsaken coat of arms is. 

I'm intrigued by the possibility of Aszhara pretending to be Jaina. The Doomlord theory has some meat to it, but Blizzard doesn't have a track record of meeting fan expectations when it comes to the lore. They seem to prefer leaving behind entire factions, names and groups once they move onto a new expansion (see; the troll empires this expansion and last one) only to give them a major stage set once they feel it's time. 

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  On 7/8/2017 at 8:37 PM, Plergoth said:

How do we know for certain it's Jaina he is referring to? To me, he is making clear suggestions of Sylvanas when I look at his Horde quotes; but could really mean anything, given that I think they seem to change their minds about the character development of any given character half way through an expansion. 

"Shattered mask"... Is exactly what the Forsaken coat of arms is. 

I'm intrigued by the possibility of Aszhara pretending to be Jaina. The Doomlord theory has some meat to it, but Blizzard doesn't have a track record of meeting fan expectations when it comes to the lore. They seem to prefer leaving behind entire factions, names and groups once they move onto a new expansion (see; the troll empires this expansion and last one) only to give them a major stage set once they feel it's time. 

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The Alliance quote is about a female character that is obviously doing something evil unbeknownst to the Alliance... and the plan seems to be working out so well that the Alliance will only find out when it's already too late. I can't think of anyone, but Jaina. Sylvanas doesn't fit the scheme. How is the Banshee Queen betraying the Alliance? On the other hand, would you trust this guy? Jaina is definitely up to something. Judging by the leaked Kul Tiras armor, we're going to hear from her sooner or later.

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  On 7/8/2017 at 3:08 PM, Dejo93 said:

Meh, I think they'll go the route of hero-turned-villain by sorrow. Remember how much she lost in the last couple of years.

As for the new zones, I'd really like a new race as well. Been a while since we had one  :D

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it's sad that i have to agree with this. just look at their other games. diablo- leiah goes from good to being evil, sc - kerrigan, ow - reaper goes from good to evil. they have a boner for doing stuff like that. granted, people can say leiah dies and whatnot, but the fact remains: the body goes from good to evil.

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  On 7/8/2017 at 9:28 PM, Stan said:

The Alliance quote is about a female character that is obviously doing something evil unbeknownst to the Alliance... and the plan seems to be working out so well that the Alliance will only find out when it's already too late. I can't think of anyone, but Jaina. Sylvanas doesn't fit the scheme. How is the Banshee Queen betraying the Alliance? On the other hand, would you trust this guy? Jaina is definitely up to something. Judging by the leaked Kul Tiras armor, we're going to hear from her sooner or later.

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Hmm. This puts me in mind of the starting cinematic for Stormheim. The Skyfire was only supposed to engage with the Forsaken if the situation "demanded it". Instead, Genn and Admiral Rogers ordered a sneak attack. They disobeyed direct orders, got the Skyfire shot down, and Genn nearly died in his confrontation with Sylvanas.

Sylvanas planted those seeds some time ago, and she still has a big agenda to fulfill. She has the patience of the dead, and she plays a deep game. SHE doesn't have to betray... she merely has to set up the circumstances, such as with Genn, in which Alliance betrays Alliance, because each has its own thing to pursue.

Seeing it that way, Jaina could simply be another target - like Genn, peeled off from the Alliance and maneuvered to work against it.

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  On 7/8/2017 at 2:37 PM, Valhalen said:

The "Jaina is a dreadlord theory" intensifies. I'm not sure how will I react if this turns out to be true. Jaina has always been one of my favorite characters in the lore, but would make a lot of sense if she actually died in Theramore and a Dreadlord took her place. Would be better than her being her and stabbing everyone in the backs.

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It would make no sense, because it would invalidate a canon novel. Jaina has never acted like a dreadlord. She has, however, acted like a person whose world has been shattered, nearly shattered with it, recovered with help, and perhaps... perhaps the Old Gods found a platform, which would explain her more temperamental outbursts.

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  On 7/8/2017 at 9:28 PM, Stan said:

The Alliance quote is about a female character that is obviously doing something evil unbeknownst to the Alliance... and the plan seems to be working out so well that the Alliance will only find out when it's already too late. I can't think of anyone, but Jaina. Sylvanas doesn't fit the scheme.

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For me, it's 50/50. The way things people are explaining things, Jaina would only be the big bad or a plot protagonist if she isn't Jaina anymore, but was dead since the bombing of Theramore or shortly afterwards. I have absolutely no doubt we will hear from her in the next expansion as far as Kul Tiras development goes, but I remain unconvinced that she is the be all and end all. I'd be extremely apathetic towards Jaina herself being this tyrant, hellbent on vengeance, and willing to kill Alliance members. It just doesn't quite add up, and having her killed off, out of game context, retconning the events of canon book and subsequent implications, it's a bit too much for me. If she was a Dreadlord, they should have acted by now for the best chance of claiming victory for the Legion and gaining Sargeras' favour. The Azshara theory equally leaves me as dubious; why not just kill Anduin and the other leaders while they were in the throne room following Varian's death? It's made clear that she is virtually untouchable, and no body there should be able to stop her, and she was close enough to the sea for an escape or reinforcements afterwards. 

On the other hand, Varithmathras was Sylvanas' left hand for some time before his betrayal and the siege of Undercity; despite being the tortured, almost mad shadow of his former cunning, I think he has a better idea than most about how much we can trust Sylvanas. Sylvanas is similar in Jaina that she hasn't really had anything added to her current plot involvement since the start of Legion, and is notably absent from Argus as well; despite her long lost sister being accounted for as last. 

Old God corruption or influence seems like too much of a get out of jail free card as well. I'd rather see more realistic approaches to the personal agendas and grudges both Sylvanas and Jaina have, but without turning either into a killable raid boss. 

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  On 7/8/2017 at 6:52 PM, MrEdren said:

I still say Jaina is queen Azshara. But now it sounds like Alleria is the new Big Bad. Interesting  

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I'd say that it's more along the lines of Blizzard covering their bases and giving us a potential future NPC to come up again when we face the Void Lords; the Old Gods are their puppies. 

 

 

  On 7/8/2017 at 3:08 PM, Foxie12 said:

I sincerely hope the naga thing isn't true. Vashj'ir *shudder*  

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Haha. That zone split the community down the middle, I think melee generally hated it more than anyone else. I loved it thoroughly though, it was probably the truest example of fantasy in a fantasy game and the music, the atmosphere and the questing was very well designed and it was both fun and relaxing to play through. Also, I am one of those weird people who dream of swimming more than flying. 

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Here is the thing that kind of gets me a bit...and it seems it has been the theme so far with story telling. I am not going ruffle any feathers or start a debate on who between each faction has died...but the Varimathras quotes have me a little on edge. 

Let me highlight this first, I don't mind each faction losing their share of badass side characters or notable figures coming in a larger role....Story wise that bothers me is the debauchery that is happening with the Main Racial / Faction leaders.

1. Horde lost Cairne, Chieftan to the Tauren, in a book because the Horde's emo Faction Leader/ Orc Racial Representative decided to save Azeroth. (2 H - 0 Ally)

2. Alliance lost Magni to being crystallized (only to return as a Emissary for Azeroth (2 H - 1 Ally)

3.  Garrosh, successor to Thrall and murderer of Cairne, becomes the Faction / Racial leader (he ends up dying, 3 H - 1 Ally)

4. While WoD had no real affect on the Main Universe, no Faction Leader played a large role...but then comes Legion...

5. In order for alliance to lose Wyrnn, the horde had to lose Vol'jin... (4 H - 2 Ally)

6. Now...based on Varimathras's dialogue it looks like in order for the Alliance to have a corrupted Jaina...there has be a corrupted Sylvanas...which would also bring down...the Horde 5 Racial leaders to 2 Ally... 

I don't count Jaina as a Faction or Racial leader because of her dealing with the Kirin Tor...Varian and Anduin play as the main Faction and Racial leaders....(I am not calling for more ally deaths, but I think the next expac should be Azshara, Jaina..and that it...give Sylvanas issues at the end...or develop her story...better?

thoughts comments...please...

 

 

 

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What about Antonidas, Kel'Thuzad, Uther the Lightbringer, Arthas, Terenas, Lothar and Tirion? Hell, you should count the entire High-Elf race too, since they got corrupted as well into Blood-Elves.

I could add an entire list of WC1-WC3 lore to the Ally tally but then you'd probably say "But that didn't happen in WoW".

 

You might already be willing do that but I'll keep my trump cards of Van-Cleef, Lady Prestor, Benedictus and a plethora more as well.

 

 

Not that this tally really matters, because leaders have - aside from Garrosh, Thrall and Tirion - very little significance in the grand scheme of things so far anyway when they were in power of their faction (With Sylvanas probably being added to that)

 

Besides that, all playable races are self-destructive in nature aside from the Night-elves and Tauren. Everything else deplete their resources, so they got it coming to them.

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  On 7/9/2017 at 5:40 AM, Yridaa said:

Besides that, all playable races are self-destructive in nature aside from the Night-elves and Tauren. Everything else deplete their resources, so they got it coming to them.

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The Night Elves are responsible for some of the biggest f ups in the history of Warcraft, even contemporary lore has them and their descendants and distant relatives in the Blood Elf ranks causing near apocalyptic things to happen. The Tauren seem to be the only only playable race that is fairly chill, with only tribes such as Bloodtotem causing problems in recent years. 

 

 

  On 7/9/2017 at 5:40 AM, Yridaa said:

Not that this tally really matters, because leaders have - aside from Garrosh, Thrall and Tirion - very little significance in the grand scheme of things so far anyway when they were in power of their faction (With Sylvanas probably being added to that)

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I'm not so sure about this. Jaina played a huge part in the Orcs being allowed to thrive after they settled in Kalimdor and founded Orgrimmar. Varian was instrumental in the Siege of Undercity, notable presence during Pandaria, as well as being the kind of father to inspire his son to stop all out civil war break out with the Dwarf factions following Magni's crystallisation, and allowing the Horde to continue independently under the leadership of Vol'jin after Garrosh's demise. The Horde hasn't imploded under Sylvanas, so she's doing something right so far, on top of keeping her Forsaken alive. Not sure about Tirion's mention here; undoubtedly an important figure, but he was never an Alliance leader.  

Vol'jin feels like the odd one out though; he never really got a chance to do anything notable while he was Warchief except name his unexpected successor as he died from battle wounds. 

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  On 7/9/2017 at 12:14 AM, Plergoth said:



 

 

Haha. That zone split the community down the middle, I think melee generally hated it more than anyone else. I loved it thoroughly though, it was probably the truest example of fantasy in a fantasy game and the music, the atmosphere and the questing was very well designed and it was both fun and relaxing to play through. Also, I am one of those weird people who dream of swimming more than flying. 

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oh it definitely looked great, but playing through it was horrendous. I mained mage and hated every minute there and i don't think i ever went back again, other than when we did the all hunter shark raid :P 

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  On 7/8/2017 at 10:27 PM, Relenquiem said:

diablo- leiah goes from good to being evil

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To be fair, Leah doesn't go evil in the same way Jaina could. Jaina's been slowly going insane over her hatred for the Horde and could turn on the Alliance as a result. Leah just gets possessed against her will.

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  On 7/9/2017 at 5:40 AM, Yridaa said:

What about Antonidas, Kel'Thuzad, Uther the Lightbringer, Arthas, Terenas, Lothar and Tirion? Hell, you should count the entire High-Elf race too, since they got corrupted as well into Blood-Elves.

I could add an entire list of WC1-WC3 lore to the Ally tally but then you'd probably say "But that didn't happen in WoW".

You might already be willing do that but I'll keep my trump cards of Van-Cleef, Lady Prestor, Benedictus and a plethora more as well.

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You misread what I was getting at.

 

Uther was leader of the Knights of the Silver Hand, Arthas was Prince of Lordaeron and protege to Uther the alliance and uniting of North and South Human kingdoms wasn't really reforged as it was still fractured until the Scourge came...none of these were faction leaders I.E Leader of the Alliance and Warchief of the Horde and neither of them were Racial Leaders i.e. Sylvanas of the Forsaken, Baine Bloodhoof Chieftan of the Tauren or Tyrande Priestess to the Night Elves, Magni Bronzebeard Leader of Ironforge and the Dwarven Empire.

Which still concludes at Legion FL/RL Removals Horde: 4  | Alliance 2 and if new Expac follows suit...Horde 5 | Alliance 2.

Also, to say that none of these leaders have any impact?

There are many significant moments since the events of Reign of Chaos and to where we are now with how each leader has affected things.

 

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  On 7/8/2017 at 3:08 PM, Foxie12 said:

i think it looks more like Sylvannas is going to be a big bad character, rather than Jaina. Maybe both, who knows.

My theory ;) https://foxierowan.wordpress.com/2017/07/08/legion-theory-evil-sylvanas/

I sincerely hope the naga thing isn't true. Vashj'ir *shudder*  

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Eh I doubt that syl will go villain, for one thing, we had like 2 or 3 entire expansions about the last time a horde guy went bad, so it has kind of been done, on top of that, the spirits selected her as the next warchief, so stuff should hopefully be happening with that, aaaaand almost all of the original horde leaders are now dead, or pretty uninspiring lore wise, I mean really compare what trade prince galywix does to gen greymane and not kael'thas to Velen.  Like as far as "cool lore characters" goes, horde doesn't have that many right now, where as alliance has. . . a ton.  It just makes very little sense to big bad syl right now.

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  On 8/27/2017 at 12:03 PM, VaraTreledees said:

Eh I doubt that syl will go villain, for one thing, we had like 2 or 3 entire expansions about the last time a horde guy went bad, so it has kind of been done, on top of that, the spirits selected her as the next warchief, so stuff should hopefully be happening with that, aaaaand almost all of the original horde leaders are now dead, or pretty uninspiring lore wise, I mean really compare what trade prince galywix does to gen greymane and not kael'thas to Velen.  Like as far as "cool lore characters" goes, horde doesn't have that many right now, where as alliance has. . . a ton.  It just makes very little sense to big bad syl right now.

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Maybe we'll see something created between Alleria/Sylvanas to cause Sylvanas to go bad.

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  On 9/4/2017 at 10:21 AM, Blainie said:

Maybe we'll see something created between Alleria/Sylvanas to cause Sylvanas to go bad.

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Maybe.  Not saying there isn't an opportunity there, just that it doesn't make sense from a creative meta point of view.  Like most of the current horde leaders are pretty uninspiring.  A full half of the people who play wow probably only know thrall and syl, maybe baine.  Like, horde are short on bad asses and they are the faction known for them.

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      As with the top percentiles, the top 3 remains solid, but 4th is immediately changed, thanks to Shadow's massive drop in performance this week. The Priest loses even more ground here, falling 9 spots into 13th, opening 4th up for Arms. Beast Mastery moves even higher here, grabbing 5th and moving in front of Elemental and Frost DK, as Marksmanship brings up the rear and completes the Hunter sandwich in 8th. Affliction breaks into the top 10, just ahead of Unholy which dropped to the final spot.

      Mythic+ All Keys All Percentile Data by Warcraft Logs.
      Raw DPS U.GG DPS Rankings
      U.gg's rankings are based on actual DPS taken from Warcraft Logs data, focusing on the top players and span the past two weeks.
      Frost DK finds itself on top in the raw DPS rankings, as Augmentation isn't calculated properly here. Fury and Arms grab the next two spots, moving ahead of Ret, and the Fyr'alath wins continue in 5th, where Unholy finished the legendary axe streak. Even Survival joins the Hunter good times in 8th, where all three specs gather, just ahead of Balance who closes out the top 10.
      Mythic+ All Keystone DPS rankings by u.gg.
       
       
      For even more in-depth data for each individual key head on over to Warcraft Logs. And if you're interested in more info on the specs themselves you can always check out our class guides (updated for the pre-patch), as well as our Mythic+ guides and Mythic+ tier list.
    • By Stan
      For the next two weeks, the Archaeology quest for Spirit of Eche'ro is available on live servers, so don't forget to get the rare mount before it's gone for 6 months!
      How to Get the Spirit of Eche'ro Mount
      1. Download MapCoords or some other add-os that displays coordinates in the game.
      2. Teleport to Azsuna from the Stormwind/Orgrimmar Portal Room or use your Dalaran Hearthstone to reach Dalaran (Legion) if you have one in your inventory.
      3. Seek out Archaeology Trainer Dariness the Learned in Dalaran at 41,26 and learn Archaeology if you already haven't.
      4. Accept The Right Path quest from the Archaeology Trainer and make your way to Thunder Totem in Highmountain.
      5. Talk to Lessah Moonwater to accept Laying to Rest. For the quest, you must collect 600 Bone Fragments of Eche'ro by rotating between four digsites in Highmountain. The exact locations with coords are outlined below.
      Digsite 1: Darkfeather Valley (50, 44) Digsite 2: Dragon's Falls (58, 72) Digsite 3: Path of Huin (44, 72) Digsite 4: Whitewater Wash (39, 65) it takes roughly around 2 hours to get the mount.
      Spirit of Eche'ro
      "The spirit of Huln Highmountain's pet moose."

      Hurry up! You only have until August 21, 2024, to get the mount!
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