About Ice Lance

[Kastaleepu 0]

Hi!

I would like to ask somethng about ice lance and other procs aswell.

To maximize dps, should you always try to get rid of Fingers of Frost procs with ice lances? And if you get flurry proc, do you want to get rid of ice lance procs before casting flurry + lance combo?

I am not sure how much icicles and maximizing their damage output before dumping them affects your damage.

Thank you

[Archimage 98]

Fingers of Frost procs can only be consumed by casting Ice Lance. We no longer have Deep Freeze.

You should always try to consume all your Fingers of Frost procs before doing the Flurry-combo, unless your Brain Freeze proc is going to expire. 

The only time you would pool together Fingers of Frost is right before a burst phase. For example when your Icy Veins is about to come off cooldown, or an priority add is about to spawn.

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 10/20/2017 at 10:18 AM, Archimage said:

You should always try to consume all your Fingers of Frost procs before doing the Flurry-combo, unless your Brain Freeze proc is going to expire. 

I think you're meant to go through with the Flurry combo even if you have FoF procs, simply because of how little damage you do by spending your FoF procs vs. going through with Flurry/Double Flurry combo. 

[Zadina 923]

On 10/21/2017 at 3:14 PM, Blainie said:

I think you're meant to go through with the Flurry combo even if you have FoF procs, simply because of how little damage you do by spending your FoF procs vs. going through with Flurry/Double Flurry combo. 

I've read that elsewhere too, but could you please explain more thoroughly as to why (or just send me your source, since we are colleagues here hehe)?

To reiterate: in the past using FoF then BF was the way, but now some sites suggest doing the opposite. Is it to not munch BF procs? And what's the Double Flurry combo? Do you mean double IL? Or the act of getting immediately BF after another BF?

[Archimage 98]

Lets take the following scenario: 

a) You just finished casting Frostbolt, Brain Freeze and Fingers of Frost has proc'ed.
b) The spell queuing system has already queued another spell that can proc Brain Freeze, so you have already started casting the next spell. (Examples are Frostbolt and Ebonbolt)

In this case, your next 2 spells will be:
1) Flurry - consumes Brain Freeze
2) Ice Lance - consumes Fingers of Frost even though Winter's Chill has been applied.

The reason why you are still following the above is because the Frostbolt you are currently casting "can" generate another Brain Freeze.

You would rather waste a Fingers of Frost proc, than a Brain Freeze proc.

Lets take another scenario:

a) You just finished casting Frostbolt, Brain Freeze and Fingers of Frost has proc'ed.
b) The spell queuing system has already queued another spell that cannot proc Brain Freeze, so you have already started casting the next spell. (Examples are Blizzard and Ice Lance)

In this case your next few spells will be:
1) Consume all Fingers of Frost with Ice Lance
2) Frostbolt
3) Flurry - consumes Brain Freeze
4) Ice Lance

[Valks 2,375]

On 10/24/2017 at 2:26 PM, Archimage said:

Lets take the following scenario: 

Great way of putting it all. The only change to it, I assume, would be in the second scenario when you situationally look at it for movement. If you are expecting movement of any kind for a mechanic, hold two stacks, so you waste one after Flurry, but then use the second while moving. It should end up being a higher DPS output by "wasting" one stack rather than casting nothing or unbuffed ones during movement phase.