Meteor Wizard

[Guest zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

On 3/30/2018 at 1:16 PM, Guest Eredrin said:

I was wondering. There was a talk about a ring to replace unity. In Tal Rasha version, you constantly channel lightning skill, so why not Manald Heal?

Bad choice, without synergies it has horrible damage and lower proc for channeled skills makes it even worse. Go oculus if no one in the party has it or SoJ. If you got none of them any ring will be comparable in performance imho. In tal variant you could also take RoRG and switch some set item, this opens tons of options, for example would allow you to equip witching hour.

[Guest doh]

On 3/30/2018 at 1:16 PM, Guest Eredrin said:

I was wondering. There was a talk about a ring to replace unity. In Tal Rasha version, you constantly channel lightning skill, so why not Manald Heal?

Because you would have to switch one passive for useless Paralysis.

[Guest SputTour]

Hi,

Your star pact build is wrong - belt should be Delsere. Hegrebresh does nothing for star pact since it's not a channeling build.

[Guest Chazz]

So, I've got a question or two, that may seem like dumb questions, but as has been said "There are no dumb questions, just dumb people." ... Wait...

Anyway. What actually makes the arcane torrent preferable over disintegrate? I've seen that beam wipe people at least as fast (if only from hitting instantly) if not faster, its power cost can be dropped just as much, and it still triggers meteors like a madman. And I've yet to have an encounter where the amount of damage reduction it provides from the flame rune has made a noticeable difference, unless that really kicks in at higher GR levels.

Secondly, the "needs to be hit by three different skills to ignite," is that counting being hit by the same skill repeatedly (in this case, multiple procced castings of meteor)? Would it just not trigger unless also MANUALLY casting meteor as that would count as "different" from proccing off Etched Sigil? I ask because everything is dying messily and quickly and I'm not sure if the Ignite just isn't actually going off, or if it's going off and things are just dying oo fast to notice.

[albabe 33]

On 3/23/2018 at 5:08 PM, Guest Oceanus said:

Heh - funny point.  I like the look of Ray of Frost too, actually.  It just feels more powerful somehow.

As for Unity, I'm not sure, because I basically just solo.  My hunch would be to use a fire-damage based Stone of Jordan.

Thanks!  I'd love if it had some vitality, but a primal is just so much better in so many ways.  I'm also using a non-ancient Etched Sigil for now for similar reasons.  I really like how it feels as a set comes together.

I can't even find an Ancient with close to %900 and you got a Primal... pretty cool.

I'm still confused by the New Weapon Stat Variables since 2.6.1.  I'm only assuming that the %900 is the most important Stat.

[Guest Eredrin]

On 2.04.2018 at 1:15 PM, Guest doh said:

Because you would have to switch one passive for useless Paralysis.

I'm playing hardcore, so I have switched one for Unstable Anomaly anyway. I find Audacity largely useless, since for normal mob I don't need that  damage, and in RG fight i need to keep farther than 15 yards away from him for my Halo of Karini to proc... BTW if someone of the masters could give an opinion about it? :)

[Guest MasterOfTheUniverse]

On 4/5/2018 at 1:46 PM, Guest Eredrin said:

BTW if someone of the masters could give an opinion about it? :)

Manald heal = Bad idea. Go oculus or soj.

[matthew2371 0]

What would you guys cube in speed farm?

obviously aether walker for weapon and grand vizier, but without sage's and no need of royal grander, i dont have a ring besides maybe elements for ring in cube?

 

for armor in cube, aquillas? with all my mana being used by teleports/meteor spam (or enough to knock me below 90%), i find aquillas useless. maybe nemesis bracers?

 

i would LOVE to see someone's tal normal t13 rift build, i'm using this one from dead set, but the cube items seem off.

[albabe 33]

On 3/23/2018 at 12:17 AM, Guest Atreides said:

I currently have one of the higher tal meteor clears on ladder. (108)

If you want to play talrasha meteor in a group that second ring slot is basically free. Theoretically, you want a fire stone of jordan in GRs and Id recommend avarice band/boon of the hoarder in T13 (furthermore in t13 id drop deathwish for aether walker as you the damage is overkill and the mobility is greatly improved). Another option you could try is to drop convention of elements also and run Focus + Restraint. You need to run the electocute/ray of frost version to keep the buff up then.

Of course you are giving up the unity effect which limits your toughness but many other classes that you may be playing with could possible provide some toughness buffs to you.

This is just trying to answer your question as best as possible, strictly speaking at high levels you just wouldn't play tal meteor in groups anyways its not really ideal. That said for just casual playing with a friend its fine, with very good gear and augments you can do two dps 95s with basically any other decent dps in <5mins with no chance of death. You just need to keep in mind that unless you are getting support from the other character, you will not be able to run as high as you can solo.

Also, the ray of frost version is generally more popular than the frozen mist version on PC at least and is more represented on leaderboards. It keeps aquila up easier. Finally at good crit levels and with 4 apoc on offhand you do not need to run a generator at all and can run both ray of frost and arcane torent (electrocute) which makes it easier to maintain taeguk stacks while rotating your elements. 

Tal-Meteor is the "easiest" of the 3 meteor build playstyle wise and most comfortable for most casual players to get to 100+, even with very good gear and full 100 augments it caps out around 110 though without excessive paragon and the others (especially starpact) have a much higher ceiling. They are significantly more burdensome to play. 

I STRONGLY recommend tal meteor over either firebird build in anything sub gr90. Firebird does not play right until the elites actually live after being ignited. and most people find it very frustrating. Hence the confusion displayed over firebird builds in this thread. Halo of Arlyse+ APDs is for very high content, absolutely run karini in anything <100 for sure without question.

Damn... I really appreciate all the great info, but I mostly play with my wife (who just likes to kill things (it might be all that estrogen - it's a dirty drug).  You guys are obviously REALLY into the Math - I just like running around with a decent Build in the cool Environments murdering the bad guys.

A "Fire Stone Of Jordan" - you're talking about %Fire Skills, right?  And both Crits?  I don't think I've ever seen one with even Two of those.

Maybe this is my Imagination (I have a healthy One of those), but it seems the cool thing about Oceanus' build is that it's much easier to "Aim" using Ray of Frost than the Deadset Build.

 

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On 4/27/2018 at 6:39 PM, albabe said:

A "Fire Stone Of Jordan" - you're talking about %Fire Skills, right?  And both Crits?  I don't think I've ever seen one with even Two of those.

SoJ always has:

• increased damage against elites (25%-30%)
• main stat
• + elemental skill damage (15%-20%)
• + resource
• 2 random magic properties

Increased damage against elites, main stat and + ele skill damage are primary stats, + resource is secondary stat. This means that the 2 random magic properties are 1 primary stat and 1 secondary stat. Since socket is more needed than anything this means you cannot have chc and chd on the same soj. Ideally you would get a socket as the random primary stat, this would allow you to reroll main stat into chd, but if this would benefit you depends on the rest of the rolls on your gear and on the soj itself.

[Guest LEGIT]

How can you ignite enemies in your second star pact variation ? I don't see 3 fire skills ...

[Guest did you even read it]

On 5/7/2018 at 7:21 PM, Guest LEGIT said:

How can you ignite enemies in your second star pact variation ? I don't see 3 fire skills ...

Using Conflagrate, Ignite and Flame Ward.

[Guest ow dis you meant]

On 5/7/2018 at 7:21 PM, Guest LEGIT said:

How can you ignite enemies in your second star pact variation ? I don't see 3 fire skills ...

If you asking about the group variant it's obviously wrong, like most builds here. There is no place for black hole in here, you still go with magic weapon - ignite.

[Guest lee_terry_jr]

I am not seeing a point in using Mantle of Channeling in the speed farming variation since it does not use any of the skills that item was made for (Arcane Torrent, Disintegrate, or Ray of Frost) and I personally think Pauldrons of the Skeleton King and/or Death Watch Mantle would both be the best options. For that matter, Corruption or Spaulders of Zakara would be better then what was suggested in this variation. I am going to take a guess that the reason they suggested what they did is that it does not really make much of a difference and so they just posted what was used in the other variation for people who are planning to use both variations because it would save trouble of having to find shoulders with the same stats required in other variation for those who use it which makes sense. However, since I am not going to be using both variations I plan on going with something better for the speed farming variation.

[leeterry 0]

The speed farming variation is showing stone of jordan as the recommended ring with CHC, CHD, socket, etc. The problem is that ring always has damage% and dmg vs elite%. making it impossible to get all stats listed.

[Zeppelin 1]

Why does your Starpact variation of meteor wizard have fire on amulet and bracers?

top leaderboard players all have arcane on amulet and bracers.

top leaderboard players also use Shame of Delsere belt and not Hergbrash's (like you recommended.)

[Guest Doctorwho]

Zeppelin.. Coz this guide is outdated, like many of the others are. Also theres many factors to keep in mind, paragon lvl, gem lvl, playstyle, solo/grp etc. 

The guides is all some kinda baseline, how you use it is up to you. 

You can find more than 10 dirrent setups for meteor. This gear might work better/worse for you, compared to top players choices. 

Use it as a baseline, change the setup and work youre way, to you find something that works for you. 

[Valks 2,375]

On 6/10/2018 at 3:59 PM, Zeppelin said:

Why does your Starpact variation of meteor wizard have fire on amulet and bracers?

top leaderboard players all have arcane on amulet and bracers.

top leaderboard players also use Shame of Delsere belt and not Hergbrash's (like you recommended.)

I believe the %-damage error is just an oversight in adapting the guide from the fire variation. I'll let DS know.

Same goes for the belt, I believe. Star Pact should move away from channeling, hence the swap from Taeguk. This diminishes the value of Hergbrash, so that's most likely why people are using Delsere. Again, I'll let DS know.

[GMcDowellJr 0]

On 4/2/2018 at 9:14 PM, Guest Chazz said:

Secondly, the "needs to be hit by three different skills to ignite," is that counting being hit by the same skill repeatedly (in this case, multiple procced castings of meteor)? Would it just not trigger unless also MANUALLY casting meteor as that would count as "different" from proccing off Etched Sigil? I ask because everything is dying messily and quickly and I'm not sure if the Ignite just isn't actually going off, or if it's going off and things are just dying oo fast to notice.

I’ve noticed that I don’t need to cast meteors manually to get the ignite affect so, yeah, it seems to trigger off the meteors case by the sigil.

[Guest Chvrches]

So,when playing Storm Armor/Karini,am i swapping frost nova out for anything else?

[Zeppelin 1]

This is very strange but DS is right.

in 3. Adapting for Group DS wrote:

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You should also make some adjustments in gearing with respect to group composition, most notably trying to hit a 10 frames breakpoint for Electrocute to optimize Arcane Power generation (achieveable with a maximum 10% Attack Speed roll on the weapon plus two other slots, 7 IAS each).

At first I thought there is no way to roll 10% attack speed on a weapon, but if you roll the max (7%) and then click details, you indeed get the 10% attack speed increase. I thought that was weird.

(however, I really don't know what '10 frames breakpoint' means.)

Edited July 5, 2018 by Zeppelin

[positiv2 953]

15 hours ago, Zeppelin said:

(however, I really don't know what '10 frames breakpoint' means.)

There is a good post on the official forums that explains what frame breakpoints are.

[Guest Hikarinoyuki]

 

in Tal version, why would you use static discharge instead of any desintegration rune, it says that its for thunder proc, but isntthe storm armor already doing so? just wondering i have been playing not for so long, and since i got desintegrate it has been a really easy way of running

[Darkbeast0106 0]

On 5/7/2018 at 9:21 PM, Guest LEGIT said:

How can you ignite enemies in your second star pact variation ? I don't see 3 fire skills ...

The third fire skill is the meteor from you firebird 2piece bonus when you die, you have to use electrocute + disintengrate after that, to ignite enemies. This should be included in the guide...

[Guest Neoken]

I'm wondering if we simply drop Wave of Force -> Arcane Attunement for Magic Weapon->Ignite if that will suffice. Gets a third igniter if need be without relying on the 2 piece Firebird's to proc damage with letting us keep a grouping mechanic which is always useful while buffing our damage as well, all the while keeping the theme of the build the same. Thoughts?