Futa 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2013 Hello, I've been trying out SimCraft and I get very strange results. I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong. I get the following scale factors: Billain Int=6.37(0.14) SP=4.91(0.14) Hit=5.23(0.15) Crit=3.24(0.14) Haste=3.64(0.14) Mastery=3.14(0.14) And the ranking goes: Int > Hit > SP > Haste > Crit ~= Mastery I find this to be strange since I've heard mastery is the best stat. Here's my character: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Billain/advanced And here's the Simcraft log: DPS Ranking: 199766 100.0% Raid 199766 100.0% Billain HPS Ranking: 0 100.0% Raid Player: Billain worgen warlock destruction 90 DPS: 199766.0 DPS-Error=99.0/0.0% DPS-Range=18228/9.1% DPS-Convergence=62.8% HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0% DPR=6.7 RPS-Out=25987.9 RPS-In=25860.8 Resource=(mana) Waiting=0.1 ApM=42.6 Origin: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Billain/advanced Talents: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#Vb!120101 Core Stats: strength=158|150(150) agility=167|159(159) stamina=33707|30643(27857) intellect=24885|22335(21281) spirit=296|277(277) mastery=107.25%|2901.00%(12607) health=618301|575405 mana=300000|300000 Spell Stats: power=37747|31765(9440) hit=15.15%|15.15%(4192) crit=27.82%|21.81%(6177) haste=15.59%|9.45%(4017) speed=15.59%|9.45%(4017) manareg=25140|23806(0) Attack Stats: power=315|270(-10) hit=12.33%|12.33%(4192) crit=19.13%|14.12%(6177) expertise=2.82%|2.82%(960) haste=10.08%|9.45%(4017) speed=21.09%|9.45%(4017) Defense Stats: armor=16641|16641(16641) miss=0.00%|0.00% dodge=0.39%|0.37%(0) parry=0.00%|0.00%(0) block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00% Glyphs: healthstone/siphon_life/conflagrate/nightmares/enslave_demon Priorities (actions.precombat): flask,type=warm_sun/food,type=mogu_fish_stew dark_intent,if=!aura.spell_power_multiplier.up summon_pet,if=!talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled|buff.grimoire_of_sacrifice.down snapshot_stats/grimoire_of_sacrifice,if=talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled service_pet,if=talent.grimoire_of_service.enabled/jade_serpent_potion Priorities: curse_of_the_elements,if=debuff.magic_vulnerability.down jade_serpent_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.health.pct<=20 dark_soul,if=!talent.archimondes_darkness.enabled|(talent.archimondes_darkness.enabled&(charges=2|trinket.proc.intellect.react|trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.react>6|target.health.pct<=10)) service_pet,if=talent.grimoire_of_service.enabled run_action_list,name=aoe,if=active_enemies>3/summon_doomguard rain_of_fire,if=!ticking&!in_flight&active_enemies>1 havoc,target=2,if=active_enemies>1 shadowburn,if=ember_react&(burning_ember>3.5|mana.pct<=20|buff.dark_soul.up|target.time_to_die<20|buff.havoc.stack>=1|trinket.proc.intellect.react|(trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.react>6&trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.remains>cast_time)) immolate,cycle_targets=1,if=n_ticks*crit_pct_current>3*dot.immolate.ticks_remain*dot.immolate.crit_pct&miss_react conflagrate,if=charges=2&buff.havoc.stack=0 rain_of_fire,if=!ticking&!in_flight,moving=1 chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&target.health.pct>20&(buff.backdraft.stack<3|level<86|(active_enemies>1&action.incinerate.cast_time<1))&(burning_ember>(4.5-active_enemies)|buff.dark_soul.remains>cast_time|buff.skull_banner.remains>cast_time|(trinket.proc.intellect.react&trinket.proc.intellect.remains>cast_time)|(trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.react>6&trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.remains>cast_time)) chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&target.health.pct>20&(buff.havoc.stack=3&buff.havoc.remains>cast_time) conflagrate/incinerate/fel_flame,moving=1 Actions: chaos_bolt Count= 32.2| 10.92sec DPE=797940|29% DPET=322815 DPR= 0.0 pDPS=57001 Miss=0.00% Crit=797936|594683|1473688|100.0% conflagrate Count= 38.8| 11.72sec DPE=152109| 7% DPET=146755 DPR= 12.7 pDPS=13106 Miss=0.00% Hit=106064|96139|152840 Crit=241922|204664|390445|33.9% dark_soul Count= 4.3|121.00sec DPE= 0| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 0 Miss=0.00% immolate Count= 27.1| 16.85sec DPE=419967|13% DPET=330037 DPR= 11.7 pDPS=25247 Miss=0.00% Hit=37195|34053|54137 Crit=83680|72493|138298|32.9% TickCount=185 MissTick=0.0% Tick=37504|34053|54137 CritTick=84751|72493|138298|34.5% UpTime=99.1% incinerate Count=204.1| 2.19sec DPE=148550|34% DPET=106202 DPR= 3.0 pDPS=67342 Miss=0.00% Hit=107762|98702|156915 Crit=243475|210121|400857|30.6% shadowburn Count= 10.8| 8.19sec DPE=480967| 6% DPET=548797 DPR= 0.0 pDPS=11622 Miss=0.00% Hit=334223|295627|469982 Crit=734563|629342|1200620|36.7% stormlash Count= 14.0| 23.76sec DPE= 35867| 1% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 1131 Miss=0.00% Hit=19849|11890|38202 Crit=55654|25312|97592|44.7% observer (DPS=21502.0) melee Count=289.6| 1.55sec DPE= 24256| 8% DPET= 15613 DPR= 0.0 pDPS=15604 Miss=0.00% Hit=18429|16902|26603 Crit=39716|33803|63847|32.2% Glance=14121|24.0% stormlash Count= 19.5| 16.66sec DPE= 6752| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 298 Miss=0.00% Hit=3855|2049|10696 Crit=10030| 4098|25671|46.9% tongue_lash Count= 89.5| 5.11sec DPE= 28147| 3% DPET= 27156 DPR= 469.1 pDPS= 5600 Miss=0.00% Hit=20479|18584|29545 Crit=43827|37169|70908|32.8% terrorguard (DPS=20800.2) doom_bolt Count= 17.0| 3.40sec DPE= 73412| 1% DPET= 21592 DPR=2097.5 pDPS=20800 Miss=0.00% Hit=51172|44015|69974 Crit=112156|88030|139949|36.5% Constant Buffs: amplified/attack_power_multiplier/attack_speed/critical_strike/mastery/spell_haste/spell_power_multiplier Constant Buffs: stamina/str_agi_int Dynamic Buffs: backdraft : start=35.4 refresh= 3.4 interval= 12.9 trigger= 11.7 uptime=50% benefit=44% bloodlust : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime= 9% benefit=14% dark_soul : start= 4.3 refresh= 0.0 interval=121.0 trigger=121.0 uptime=19% benefit=32% destructive_influence : start= 2.6 refresh= 0.1 interval=112.4 trigger=108.5 uptime= 6% benefit=11% expanded_mind : start= 4.1 refresh= 0.0 interval=124.2 trigger=124.2 uptime=18% jade_serpent_potion : start= 2.0 refresh= 0.0 interval=359.1 trigger= 0.0 uptime=10% jade_spirit : start=12.7 refresh= 6.6 interval= 36.3 trigger= 23.4 uptime=42% lightweave_embroidery_3 : start= 7.9 refresh= 0.0 interval= 60.4 trigger= 60.4 uptime=26% skull_banner : start= 3.0 refresh= 0.0 interval=180.0 trigger=180.0 uptime= 7% benefit=13% stormlash : start= 2.0 refresh= 0.0 interval=300.0 trigger=300.0 uptime= 5% volatile_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault : start= 7.4 refresh= 0.0 interval= 64.2 trigger= 64.2 uptime=16% observer-skull_banner : start= 3.0 refresh= 0.0 interval=180.0 trigger=180.0 uptime= 7% benefit=16% observer-stormlash : start= 2.0 refresh= 0.0 interval=300.0 trigger=300.0 uptime= 5% Up-Times: 6.3% : Mana Cap Gains: 412803.5 : shadowburn (mana) (overflow=10.1%) 7.2 : immolate (burning_ember) 5.8 : conflagrate (burning_ember) 29.5 : incinerate (burning_ember) 11243003.7 : mp5_regen (mana) (overflow=6.6%) 0.0 : soul_leech (health) (overflow=100.0%) 0.0 : siphon_life (health) (overflow=100.0%) Pet "observer" Gains: 5272.3 : energy_regen (energy) Pet "terrorguard" Gains: 582.1 : energy_regen (energy) (overflow=29.0%) Scale Factors: Weights : Int=6.37(0.14) SP=4.91(0.14) Hit=5.23(0.15) Crit=3.24(0.14) Haste=3.64(0.14) Mastery=3.14(0.14) Wowhead : Wowhead (caps merged) : DPS Plot Data ( min=-1000.0 max=1000.0 points=21 ) *** Targets *** Target: Fluffy_Pillow humanoid enemy unknown 93 DPS: 0.0 DPS-Error=0.0/0.0% DPS-Range=0/0.0% DPS-Convergence=0.0% HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0% Core Stats: strength=0|0(0) agility=0|0(0) stamina=0|0(0) intellect=0|0(0) spirit=0|0(0) mastery=0.00%|800.00%(0) health=0|107664179 mana=0|0 Spell Stats: power=0|0(0) hit=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%(0) haste=0.00%|0.00%(0) speed=0.00%|0.00%(0) manareg=0|0(0) Attack Stats: power=0|0(0) hit=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=5.00%|5.00%(0) expertise=0.00%|0.00%(0) haste=0.00%|0.00%(0) speed=0.00%|0.00%(0) Defense Stats: armor=24835|24835(24835) miss=3.00%|3.00% dodge=3.00%|3.00%(0) parry=3.00%|3.00%(0) block=3.00%|3.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00% Priorities (actions.precombat): snapshot_stats Priorities: Actions: Constant Buffs: attack_power_multiplier/attack_speed/bleeding/critical_strike/magic_vulnerability/mastery Constant Buffs: physical_vulnerability/ranged_vulnerability/spell_haste/spell_power_multiplier/stamina/str_agi_int Constant Buffs: weakened_armor/weakened_blows Dynamic Buffs: Health Decade (0 - 10) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=10% Health Decade (10 - 20) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=10% Health Decade (20 - 30) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=11% Health Decade (30 - 40) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=11% Health Decade (40 - 50) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=11% Health Decade (50 - 60) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=11% Health Decade (60 - 70) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=10% Health Decade (70 - 80) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=12% Health Decade (80 - 90) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime=10% Health Decade (90 - 100) : start= 1.0 refresh= 0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger= 0.0 uptime= 5% Scale Factors: Weights : Wowhead : Wowhead (caps merged) : DPS Plot Data ( min=-1000.0 max=1000.0 points=21 ) Waiting: 0.1% : Billain Baseline Performance: TotalEvents = 42389512 MaxEventQueue = 31 TargetHealth = 107664179 SimSeconds = 4507126 CpuSeconds = 17.972 WallSeconds = 17.972 SpeedUp = 250786 Scale Factors: Billain Int=6.37(0.14) SP=4.91(0.14) Hit=5.23(0.15) Crit=3.24(0.14) Haste=3.64(0.14) Mastery=3.14(0.14) What am I doing wrong? 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Drafty53 17 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) Don't think you are doing anything wrong, I just think that simcraft uses a single target base for its simulations and in that case Haste is not terrible. your haste is sooo low, that it is advising you to get some more. Not a big deal. With affliction as your OS, I would recommend going for the 9778 haste rating (with bindings equipped it will be less). Your call. Just remember, for an overview of SOO as a raid priority of secondaries should be Mastery then Crit>=Haste. Since your haste is so low in comparison to your other secondaries AND you don't have the legendary meta gem, it is advising more haste to balance it out. Edited October 20, 2013 by Drafty53 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lockybalboa 618 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 SimC has been spitting out some really weird stuff lately. Personally, I stopped using it a long time ago because it was so random and almost always flew in the face of what I was seeing in my own logs and the logs of the 20+ other warlocks that I stalk. The other day it was telling Zag that haste stacked demo was the best DPS out of all the specs and that aff was ~40k behind it. We all know that is 100% bullshit, SimC said it anyways. I have no idea WHY SImC is saying such weird stuff, other than the normal SimC is a perfect condition setting run by a computer that can in no way reflect the human controller nor the real world environment it is in. Imo, when 99 out of 100 of the top warlocks in the world say/do something as what is "best" for the class/spec, they will be correct. No matter what a program tells you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drafty53 17 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 The other day it was telling Zag that haste stacked demo was the best DPS out of all the specs and that aff was ~40k behind it. We all know that is 100% bullshit, SimC said it anyways. http://sparkuggz.com/fixed-bug-in-simulationcraft-makes-affliction-the-worst-single-target-spec/ http://sparkuggz.com/destruction-haste-vs-crit-meta-gem/ Two related articles from one of the best, if not the best pve warlock in the world right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lockybalboa 618 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 http://sparkuggz.com/fixed-bug-in-simulationcraft-makes-affliction-the-worst-single-target-spec/ http://sparkuggz.com/destruction-haste-vs-crit-meta-gem/ Two related articles from one of the best, if not the best pve warlock in the world right now. "Simulationcraft =/= Siege of Orgrimmar, i will kill a kitten soon if people dont understand it’s a single target theory program!!!11 Also it doesn’t “outrank” the other specs" -Sparkuggz The aff bug makes sense as to why it was saying some odd stuff and then it all changed, but again like I said, Zag says, Spark says, SimC is a single target program that gives data on very limited lab like settings that have almost no reflection on real world situations. Moreover, I strongly question the program when it says something like Demo being almost perfectly instep with destro. This *could* be right, but I'd need to see some real world evidence of it before giving it much weight. A quick look at WoL shows demo a big leap behind destro and Aff (I'm looking at heroic Malk and heroic Iron Jug as they are the two least gimiky fights). The SimC is being run in what I assume to be BiS T16 gear and the people on WoL likely do not have *perfect* BiS but many of them should be getting damned close, the EU 25man guilds there are a lot of warlocks sitting at BiS or a few items away from it. This seems to be a big gap between SimC and real world, larger than what is commonly seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gahhda 95 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) Ohai locky making more posts about how simc is garbage because he doesn't understand how it functions, what else is fucking new. Scale factors are not stat weights, I'm tired of posting this 900 times on every forum, I'm just going to have zagam sticky a freaking 'This is how simc actually works' thread that I'll write later. http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-wlxm6xwqmrvn5n6n/sum/damageDone/?s=8116&e=8415#Hayle Third destro parse, assume the top two are hilarious rng. http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xsy86nxvii2cx31k/sum/damageDone/?s=614&e=903#Rasensa Top demo parse http://worldoflogs.com/reports/slcouqzuv96gldya/sum/damageDone/?s=116&e=440#Asterixx Second affli parse If you want more proof that demo is not only good but op compared to most other classes in the game, I'll show you my tinfoil hat. Edited October 20, 2013 by gahhda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,982 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 Rasensa has Heroic Bindings. I'm pretty sure LFR Bindings outperform the rest of the Heroic trinkets for Demonology. Top parses are heavily RNG influenced. I'm sure if I dug in, I'd find some outlying uptimes on things. RNG is too rampant right now to figure out what is best. There's always going to be a theoretical best with optimal uptimes, but the more RNG involved, the less I can really get behind anything in terms of comparisons. Destruction's RNG = 2set Affliction's RNG = Nightfall, 4pc Demonology's RNG = Doom crits, 2pc, 4pc All three take Bindings, so there's a little RNG taken away. I just can't get behind any singular parse in the grand scheme of how things are performing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lockybalboa 618 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 Ohai locky making more posts about how simc is garbage because he doesn't understand how it functions, what else is fucking new. Not sure why you're all mad but okay. SimC is limited. SimC is looked at as being almost biblical by a lot of people, when it isn't. It's a tool, nothing more. To many times I see people Sim and re-sim and re-re-sim, just to find the "answer" to their problem when it just doesn't work that way. SimC is a just a tool, a tool that most people don't fully understand or are informed about. It should never be seen as perfect or infallible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted October 20, 2013 Things SimCraft can do: Assess a "perfect" priority list and compute scale factors and reforge plots based on a purely single target situation. Things SimCraft cannot do: Realistically model any known fight. Account for the decision making power of humans that determines the true playstyle, such as snapshotting procs and launching monster Chaos Bolts by using them only under procs. SimCraft can be useful occasionally for comparing things in a single-target fight, so long as you understand how that translates into the actual fights you're doing that will only be somewhat single target with irregular movement for avoiding mechanics, adds spawning occasionally, bosses disappearing for a bit, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brown 14 Report post Posted October 21, 2013 Things SimC can also not do: Predict when Blizz decides hey let's stealth nerf locks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Futa 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2013 Thanks for all the replies and explanations. I understand SimCraft is limited. I was using a SimCraft guide posted by Evrelia, but I think I somewhat misunderstood how to use it properly (or whether to use it at all). I could go for the first haste breakpoint, although I never actually play as affliction, so perhaps it would be wasted stats if it meant I had to reforge out of mastery. I guess I could reforge some crit to haste, as they seem to be even. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
