wow Limit's GM on Progress Streaming

[Starym 3,800]

 

Limit's Guild Master @maximumwow talked about the guild's potential streaming of the race in the future and went into a pretty in-depth explanation of the potential consequences for the race and how it could impact them specifically, bringing it all back to the Method/Serenity split. It's a very interesting and honest clip that brings into question whether the guild will actually stream (as it was previously generally stated that they would) and absolutely worth a watch.

He also went on to clarify a tricky/easily misunderstood thing he said in the above clip:

and when I was calling anyone nieve and stupid it was about what I would be relative to that situation wasn’t insinuating it about anyone else, obviously they’re massively successful. Release the raids at the same time @WarcraftDevs ?

— max (@maximumwow) February 18, 2019

While we now have a lot of the top guilds streaming their progress, Limit's inclusion would be a big one as they're fairly certain to remain on the top of the US/OC part of the race, and since there's a whole day/16 hours in which no one else has access to the raid it's definitely be a popular addition, but as mentioned above could impact the race.

[cmnights 11]

yup, look what happened to wildcard. they saw sean doing that and his whole guild quit. 

[Stan 5,240]

Limit should have started streaming two tiers ago. Better late to the party than never I guess.

[Hypersonic 119]

I think this whole "race" is totally pointless until not start the raid in the exact same time in all regions. Without it you can't even call as real race. Not to mention to will be more difficult and more exciting on separated tournament realm with fixed ilvl and etc. That would be a real race. This is now only about who have more backup support. 

[Koxsos 38]

24 minutes ago, Hypersonic said:

I think this whole "race" is totally pointless until not start the raid in the exact same time in all regions. Without it you can't even call as real race. Not to mention to will be more difficult and more exciting on separated tournament realm with fixed ilvl and etc. That would be a real race. This is now only about who have more backup support. 

As in invensting millions of gold on realms where the tokens are half price or less into switching to alliance for extra hc loot? ='D
I have to agree completely, game is fixed from the start on so many levels. Not much of a "race". But you can still be regional first, realm first etc.

[tkioz 229]

51 minutes ago, Hypersonic said:

I think this whole "race" is totally pointless until not start the raid in the exact same time in all regions. Without it you can't even call as real race. Not to mention to will be more difficult and more exciting on separated tournament realm with fixed ilvl and etc. That would be a real race. This is now only about who have more backup support. 

You know I love how all the players put this on Blizzard. "Oh release it at the same time, bleh bleh bleh" without even considering the momentary cost of something like that. Maybe the community event should go for a community solution... EU starts 16 hours later? How about the US/EU guilds agree on a start time... Nahh never happen, people are too busy grasping for any advantage and want Nanny to ensure fair play.

[Koxsos 38]

1 hour ago, tkioz said:

You know I love how all the players put this on Blizzard. "Oh release it at the same time, bleh bleh bleh" without even considering the momentary cost of something like that. Maybe the community event should go for a community solution... EU starts 16 hours later? How about the US/EU guilds agree on a start time... Nahh never happen, people are too busy grasping for any advantage and want Nanny to ensure fair play.

*implements raid on/off switch mechanics* (since they never ever used those before) *flips switch at a given time* - insane monetary costs!
I mean it still does not solve the fact that somewhere out there someone will be starting the race at noon and someone will be starting the race at 4 am, while someone get's a sweetspot in their raid time, but since those "racing" people basically vacation for raids anyway, it would still be better than "oh, they cleared HC already? Nice, we have to wait couple more hours to gain access to compete".

[jinsu2301 273]

You don't even have to start the race at the same time. Just include the 16 hour difference in the leader board, and rank by least amount of time to clear. In rally sports, you don't have everyone go at the same time either, and it's still a race.

It's like Max said, it wouldn't have mattered if Limit killed Jaina on Tuesday before Method, because Method killed her in their first week.

[Badadada 184]

10 minutes ago, jinsu2301 said:

You don't even have to start the race at the same time. Just include the 16 hour difference in the leader board, and rank by least amount of time to clear. In rally sports, you don't have everyone go at the same time either, and it's still a race.

It's like Max said, it wouldn't have mattered if Limit killed Jaina on Tuesday before Method, because Method killed her in their first week.

Imho if fans would be interested in who kills the last boss the fastest, the competition would be called speedrun, not world first race. It was proved time and time again, that after one guild releases their tactics (which is now streamed live anyways) others can replicate it with great success and score a kill with even less wipes. This would only benefit guilds who may be good copycats, but not necasarily the best theorycrafters. The current raid release schedule is certainly not ideal, but it has benefits: everyone can start clearing in a reasonable local time and given any bug still exists at release (nightmare of every developer), there's a huge redundancy for Blizzard to fix it. E.g. if a a game-breaking bug is discovered when the US realms start, the rest of the world can receive the patched version ahead of their start.

[jinsu2301 273]

1 hour ago, Badadada said:

It was proved time and time again, that after one guild releases their tactics (which is now streamed live anyways) others can replicate it with great success and score a kill with even less wipes.

You would still have to adopt and perfectly execute that strategy within 16 hours. 

But it like you said, whether you go staggered or a simultaneous release, both have their pro's and con's. And if Limit are willing to start raiding at 2 in the morning (Blizz are most likely to go with EU reset time just like they did with the BfA release), then who am I to tell them otherwise.

 

Not that it matters because EU will win anyway :^)

[Aegrotat 80]

8 hours ago, Hypersonic said:

I think this whole "race" is totally pointless until not start the raid in the exact same time in all regions. Without it you can't even call as real race. Not to mention to will be more difficult and more exciting on separated tournament realm with fixed ilvl and etc. That would be a real race. This is now only about who have more backup support. 

I mean, evidently the time difference hasn't mattered. The only kill people care about is the final boss, which has been won by a guild starting a day late repeatedly now. And it's definitely not "they have more backup support" when they generally put in the time and effort themselves. I know a lot of people don't want to accept it, but the pre-race prep (split runs and in this case hopping around to get gear and supplies) IS actually part of the mythic race.

[avaaamiaa 0]

i do Agree with this  "I think this whole "race" is totally pointless until not start the raid in the exact same time in all regions. Without it you can't even call as real race."

Edited February 22, 2019 by avaaamiaa