Heroes of the Storm Anduin

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This thread is for comments about our Anduin guide.

[Valhalen 1,484]

Definitely gonna run the MANduin build.

[KendricSwissh 66]

Oh yes, I like that one personally as well. ?

[ArtVandelay 24]

played both and did well with both.  he's pretty fun to play overall.  he is more of a sustained healing hero though, you can't burst heal like a morales or whitemane.  he works really well in a 5 man team fight though to keep everyone topped off

[KendricSwissh 66]

Great to hear Anduin is doing work for ya! 

On 4/30/2019 at 11:12 PM, ArtVandelay said:

played both and did well with both.  he's pretty fun to play overall.  he is more of a sustained healing hero though, you can't burst heal like a morales or whitemane.  he works really well in a 5 man team fight though to keep everyone topped off

 

[Valhalen 1,484]

On 4/30/2019 at 6:12 PM, ArtVandelay said:

played both and did well with both.  he's pretty fun to play overall.  he is more of a sustained healing hero though, you can't burst heal like a morales or whitemane.  he works really well in a 5 man team fight though to keep everyone topped off

He actually can do a nasty single target heal with the following rotation:

Flash Heal > Inner Focus + Flash Heal > Desperate Prayer > Divine Star > Inner Focus + Flash Heal

Assuming you hit two enemy Heroes with the Divine Star, you'll reset the cooldown of Inner Focus, allowing you to do another Flash Heal.

In fact, I can predict (and lament) that they will nerf Inner Focus, for sure. It is way too good. I also won't be surprised if they nerf Bold Strategy and add another second to Flash Heal's cooldown.

 

On another note, I have a question for you, @KendricSwissh. Won't you consider adding Moral Compass as a situational talent? There are times where you can't afford to Basic Attack opponents to get the bonus from Renew, and Holy Reach launches two basic attacks, which procs the talent. When you're facing teams with heavy poke and/or dangerous frontlines that makes approaches risky even Inner Fire, Holy Reach does quite a good job at ensuring those empowered Flash Heals, which is the main selling point of the talent, in my opinion (the bonus damage is more of an extra). What are your thoughts on it?

Edited May 2, 2019 by Valhalen

[Guest Azgard]

Hey guys, can someone please explain to me, what spells do i get by taking the 1st lvl talent, which prolongs the renew? Thanks a lot

 

[KendricSwissh 66]

9 hours ago, Guest Azgard said:

Hey guys, can someone please explain to me, what spells do i get by taking the 1st lvl talent, which prolongs the renew? Thanks a lot

 

To prolong the "Renew" (Flash Heal) you have to Auto Attack an enemy Hero first. 

[KendricSwissh 66]

10 hours ago, Valhalen said:

He actually can do a nasty single target heal with the following rotation:

Flash Heal > Inner Focus + Flash Heal > Desperate Prayer > Divine Star > Inner Focus + Flash Heal

Assuming you hit two enemy Heroes with the Divine Star, you'll reset the cooldown of Inner Focus, allowing you to do another Flash Heal.

In fact, I can predict (and lament) that they will nerf Inner Focus, for sure. It is way too good. I also won't be surprised if they nerf Bold Strategy and add another second to Flash Heal's cooldown.

 

On another note, I have a question for you, @KendricSwissh. Won't you consider adding Moral Compass as a situational talent? There are times where you can't afford to Basic Attack opponents to get the bonus from Renew, and Holy Reach launches two basic attacks, which procs the talent. When you're facing teams with heavy poke and/or dangerous frontlines that makes approaches risky even Inner Fire, Holy Reach does quite a good job at ensuring those empowered Flash Heals, which is the main selling point of the talent, in my opinion (the bonus damage is more of an extra). What are your thoughts on it?

Hey man! 

First off, thanks for commenting! I found Moral Compass to be so-so. I definitely think Inner Fire is the best one, as it allows you to get Auto Attacks in consistently, thanks to the superior range, but you're right Moral Compass is probably better than Holy Reach, which I am going to update asap! 

 

Inner Focus is insane, I agree, the CD is very very low on this talent if you hit your W. 

[Valhalen 1,484]

18 hours ago, KendricSwissh said:

Hey man! 

First off, thanks for commenting! I found Moral Compass to be so-so. I definitely think Inner Fire is the best one, as it allows you to get Auto Attacks in consistently, thanks to the superior range, but you're right Moral Compass is probably better than Holy Reach, which I am going to update asap! 

 

Inner Focus is insane, I agree, the CD is very very low on this talent if you hit your W. 

Hey man, thanks for the reply! I really appreciate!

I completely agree with you that Inner Fire is the best option, but Moral Compass can be quite useful against teams that feature scary frontline (i.e. Garrosh, Diablo, Stitches) and/or nasty backline poking (Chromie, Hanzo, Sgt. Hammer, Kael'thas), where even the extra basic attack range is not enough to keep Anduin safe from harm.

Also, I find Holy Reach to be the one not recommended. Landing Chastise is quite hard to land already to make this talent very useful. I find the other two options to provide more consistent results.

Also, also, I have been getting pretty good results with Speed of the Pious. Given that Divine Star has low cooldown, this talent is quite handy to give him a massive burst of speed, as he becomes as fast as mounted Heroes.

Anyway, great guide, as always. I've been playing a lot with Anduin, and he is really intuitive to use without being downright brokenly overpowered like Whitemane on her launch (but Inner Focus will definitely get nerfed hard). Fun times ensured!

Edited May 3, 2019 by Valhalen

[ShadowerDerek 69]

What's your opinion on this Divine Star build, @KendricSwissh ? 

[KendricSwissh 66]

17 hours ago, ShadowerDerek said:

What's your opinion on this Divine Star build, @KendricSwissh ? 

I do not watch videos that use the (outdated) Heroes of the Storm logo from 5 years ago. 

[ShadowerDerek 69]

https://hots.heroeshearth.com/b/critickitten/read/april-30th-2019-patch-7-days-later/

Some statistics for Anduin:

- win rate is below 50% but increasing gradually

- Always Bold Strategy

- Holy Reach is underperforming

- Blessed Recovery is generally the strongest, and Binding Heal seems weaker than others

- both heroics are viable

- Push Forward! is likely the strongest 13 talent

- any 16 talent besides Holy Nova is viable

- heroic upgrade is the weakest storm talent

Source: HeroesHearth

Edited May 8, 2019 by ShadowerDerek

[Valhalen 1,484]

7 hours ago, ShadowerDerek said:

https://hots.heroeshearth.com/b/critickitten/read/april-30th-2019-patch-7-days-later/

Some statistics for Anduin:

- win rate is below 50% but increasing gradually

- Always Bold Strategy

- Holy Reach is underperforming

- Blessed Recovery is generally the strongest, and Binding Heal seems weaker than others

- both heroics are viable

- Push Forward! is likely the strongest 13 talent

- any 16 talent besides Holy Nova is viable

- heroic upgrade is the weakest storm talent

Source: HeroesHearth

Interesting data. I think Anduin could use some tweaks and buffs, actually. He falls in a similar category as Whitemane, with his early game being relatively weak, but becoming very powerful on level 16.

I personally disagree with Push Forward! being the best level 13 talent. I've been running some tests with Speed of the Pious, which makes Anduin as fast as mounted Heroes, and I had much better results by fleeing from enemies, or reaching allies in need. The instant 30% movement speed is way too good.

Also, I think that Inner Focus is mandatory for any build. It is way too powerful to be skipped. Also, the cooldown starts running after you activate the talent, and not after casting Flash Heal. With that in mind, you can preemptively have the 40% extra bonus before a teamfight, and activate Inner Focus to have it again.

Edited May 8, 2019 by Valhalen

[ArtVandelay 24]

I have a GM main healer friend that says the level 1 Bold Strategy is not worth the 1 sec CD loss.  He goes Renew only as you don't get much benefit from the 28 heal (maybe it is better if you take other AA talents) compared to the %20 increase to flash heal (by not increasing down time).

 

Maybe if you were facing more AA the bold strategy wins out.  But I can see where the increase to burst heal may outweigh taking bold strategy when facing burst damage.

[Valhalen 1,484]

14 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said:

I have a GM main healer friend that says the level 1 Bold Strategy is not worth the 1 sec CD loss.  He goes Renew only as you don't get much benefit from the 28 heal (maybe it is better if you take other AA talents) compared to the %20 increase to flash heal (by not increasing down time).

Maybe if you were facing more AA the bold strategy wins out.  But I can see where the increase to burst heal may outweigh taking bold strategy when facing burst damage.

All his level 4 talents have interactions with Basic Attack, so Bold Strategy ends up giving a solid advantage nevertheless. Pursued by Grace might seem a small heal (it actually heals slightly more than Li Li's Cloud Serpent), but it is a beast in the endgame if you pick Varian's Legacy because every tick of the damage-over-time will proc Pursued by Grace.

Overall, I think Anduin is bound to some buffs. He is not a bad healer per se, but his win-rate is the lowest in the game right now, according to HotS Logs. Many of his talents do not feel very impactful aside from his Heroics, Level 16 and Level 20.

Also, @KendricSwissh, won't you consider adding Stukov as one of Anduin's counters in the strategy page? He can frustrate Anduin's Holy Word: Salvation in many many ways with Lurking Arm and both Heroics.

[ArtVandelay 24]

I would like to see some buffs but maybe longer CD on D.  The save is pretty powerful and should require more selective use.

[ShadowerDerek 69]

For the Alliance above all!

Finally get the chance to try Anduin thanks to the free rotation (yes I'm too poor to afford him). But I gotta say, I think I've some very unique opinion about his talents and builds.

I run 2 builds: Divine Star build and Flash Heal build. 

Divine Star build is the more versatile build out of these 2 builds. Take this build when:

1) you're new to him;

2) you're facing dive heroes; or

3) you don't believe you have enough peel from your team to run the other build.

When you're using this build, you'll want to spam Divine Star during teamfight since this is your main healing source. Aim the apex in the middle of the enemy team to get the most benefit from it.

Lv 1: Bold Strategy is the pick here. Since you can rarely spam Flash Heal on cooldown when running this build, so the cooldown increase won't hurt you much. Both Renew and Pursued by Grace have some really nice synergy with the later talents.

Lv 4: Moral Compass is much more versatile than you think. First of all, you get 2 more hero damage ticks from your Divine Star pretty reliably (since it only aims for heroes), you get 2 more Pursued by Grace heals. Second, its range is much larger than your basic attack range, you can proc Renew from a much safer distance. Third, it 'spreads' your basic attacks, which is pretty important for a later talent. 

Lv 7: Blessed Recovery is actually quite easy to proc. Most damaging heroics and mages' damage spell can deal more than 8% of your total health. So you can usually benefits from it quite often since its cooldown is quite low too. Power Word: Shield is also quite good if you're not sure about Blessed Recovery's consistency. Don't pick Binding Heal with this build since Bold Strategy increased Flash Heal's cooldown. 

Lv 10: I have a very different take about his heroic choice: ALWAYS Lightbomb. Lightbomb is very versatile: it's your only interrupt, it's your CC chain, it's your diver protection, it's your self peel...... You can do so many things with Lightbomb, and it's cooldown is pretty low for such a versatile heroic. I've never found a game where I regret taking it. Holy Word: Salvation is probably one of the most overrated heroics in the game. It just gets interrupted way too easily. And it also puts you out of position if you can't turn the fight around. 

Lv 13: I really like Speed of the Pious. Sure it doesn't give you value constantly like the other 2 options, but it's super useful when it matters the most. It's a very strong kite against divers, and it allows you to position for better Divine Star heals. It isn't that good for chasing though, so you'll want Push Forward! if you're on the aggressive side. 

Lv 16: Lightwell has some really nice synergies with rest of the build, particularly Bold Strategy, Moral Compass, and the Lv 20 talent of this build. And it also serves well as a strong single-target heal: just drop it on top of your target if they're CC'ed, or on his retreat path if he's not. You can also use it as a healing totem for sieging or anything actually. 

Lv 20: I've been teasing this talent for so long now, but here it comes: Varian's Legacy. This talent actually has insane value if you think about it: 

- it gives you better PvE damage;

- it gives you better self-sustain, so you can focus your Flash Heal on your allies;

- it's a damage-over-time, so you get multiple Pursued by Grace heals from it (also Push Forward!'s stacks if you took it);

- it's a healing-over-time, so you can reduce Lightwell's cooldown significantly; 

When you add these up together, you'll realise that it gives you significantly more healing output, even better than Desperate Prayer.

And there's one thing I want to emphasise: Moral Compass has better synergy with Varian's Legacy than Inner Fire because of how Varian's Legacy functions.

The damage-over-time doesn't stack if you attack the same target before it expires, unlike Lunara's poison. So instead of attacking the same enemy constantly, you want to 'spread' your basic attacks to different heroes. Moral Compass does exactly that. On the other hand, Inner Fire's attack speed buff doesn't really allow you to do so, because even with the additional attack range, you still aren't gonna reach the backline, which Moral Compass can.

Now onto the other build: Flash Heal build. This build excels at sustain healing, both in-combat and out-of combat. It requires you to spam Flash Heal, which means you have to be really safe at all time. Only take this build if the enemy team can't dive and threaten you, but you still require good peeling from your frontline.

Lv 1: Renew is the choice here. It empowers your Flash Heal without increasing its cooldown. 

Lv 4: You want Inner Fire in this build since you need to constantly proccing Renew. Moral Compass's cooldown is too long for that. Inner Fire gives you safer positioning with the attack range increase. 

Lv 7: Binding Heal is actually pretty good in this build because you're using Flash Heal a lot. But Blessed Recovery is still very good if you need it. 

Lv 10: Lightbomb usually, but Holy Word: Salvation can be good if you feels really safe to cast it without getting interrupted. 

Lv 13: Enchant Boots: Lion Speed is pretty good in this build since it gives you constant speed boost to help your positioning, especially if you're like me who always forget about the trait (LUL). 

Lv 16: Evenhanded Blessings is the key talent of this build. If you're playing it right, you'll have a Renew-procced Flash Heal every 2s. This doubles your sustain healing, even when out-of-combat, at the cost of your single-target healing output. You still have your Divine Star if you really need the heal. 

Lv 20: Glyph of Faith will always give you value without any downsides, and synergise really well with Enchant Boots: Lion Speed to maintain your 20% movement speed boost. The other choices aren't that good actually: Varian's Legacy doesn't do anything without Pursued by Grace and Lightwell; Desperate Prayer is a bad talent in my opinion: the 2s self-stun is extremely detrimental in late game teamfights, which can easily results in a loss if your opponents can take advantage of it, not to mention it puts your Flash Heal on a very long cooldown. Light of Stormwind doesn't really do anything meaningful, especially when Holy Word: Salvation isn't recommended in most situations. 

Anduin is pretty strong if you build him correctly, but I often see people mess up on the talent synergies. He's a really fun healer to play, because you have to play on the aggressive side to get the most out of him. And please try out Lightbomb instead of picking Holy Word: Salvation mindlessly every match. 

[Morcalivan 86]

I prefer Divine Star. Flash Heal is exhausting for such little reward. The root which I forget the name of is very nice to have and the pull works well for not just saving allies but securing them new attack positions after a root or stun wears off. I often run ahead after rooting to then pull an ally from one side of the enemy to the other as they try and run away. Very useful in keep damage up. The speed boost when not using the wing ability also makes Anduin a pain in the *filtered* to hit, lol.

[Wowgodx 0]

Build Anduin like a disc priest,  B i S

1 - Bold Strategy

4 - Moral Compass

7 - Power Word: Shield

10 - Holy Word: Sanctification  ; or Lightbomb

13 - Speed of the Pious

16 - Lightwell ; or Inner Focus

20 - Desperate Prayer ; or Varian

Edited August 1, 2019 by Wowgodx

[ShadowerDerek 69]

 

I've been seeing a lot more Renew Anduin recently, and it seems pretty good.

This build is very similar to my Flash Heal build, but with W talents on 4 and 13. I'm gonna test them to see how they perform. 

[Valhalen 1,484]

On 8/28/2019 at 2:14 PM, ShadowerDerek said:

 

I've been seeing a lot more Renew Anduin recently, and it seems pretty good.

This build is very similar to my Flash Heal build, but with W talents on 4 and 13. I'm gonna test them to see how they perform. 

Sadly Bold Strategy is no longer viable in my eyes. After they added another 1 second cooldown, it is really not worth it. This talent would be good if Pursued by Grace procced on minions and structures for reduced heals, to make it balanced. That would make the extra 1 second cooldown not as penalting. On Level 4 I still use Inner Fire to get the Renew bonuses from a safer distance without having to waste Divine Star.

On Level 7 I always pick Blessed Recovery, hands down the best talent in that Tier. That way you can worry less about yourself and more on keeping the rest of the team alive; the cooldown is pretty short.

On Level 13 I used to roll with Speed of the Pious before, but after they buffed Enchant Boots - Lion's Speed I always pick that one. It is very good now.

I disagree with Paradox's points on Level 16, even with the nerfs Inner Focus is way too good to ignore, and allows do a massive amount of burst heal in seconds, specially if you get the bonus from Renew for both casts.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Valhalen

[lChronosl 182]

I have mainly two builds for Anduin.

If I assume I will be able to AA safely, or if they have multiple meele: Bold Strategy; Inner Fire; Blessed Recovery; either ult; either 13; Lightwell; Varian's Legacy. It still has great synergy, and cuts down the CD of lightwell a ton.

If I won't be able to AA, if my team won't stay close for lightwell or if I want to tryhard: RenewMoral Compass; Binding Heal;  either ult; Enchant Boots - Lion's Speed; Evenhanded Blessings; Glyph of Faith.

Edited August 30, 2019 by lChronosl

[ShadowerDerek 69]

On 2019年8月29日 at 1:14 AM, ShadowerDerek said:

 

I've been seeing a lot more Renew Anduin recently, and it seems pretty good.

This build is very similar to my Flash Heal build, but with W talents on 4 and 13. I'm gonna test them to see how they perform. 

After some play-testing for a few days, I'd say this build is pretty good, IF you have a strong and trustworthy frontline. 

In this video, he has Johanna and Arthas as his frontliners, 2 of the best peeling tanks in the game. And he's playing at a high level rank, which means those players should know how to play tank properly. That way, he can have a lot of space and safety to cast Flash Heal at will, which makes this build really good to top his team off. 

That being said, I still prefer my Divine Star build, because I can rarely find a trustable tank who will peel for me and not dive into the enemy team 24/7. Bold Strategy still provide more burst heal than Renew, and is much safer because you don't need to channel Flash Heal all the time. If a Skullcracker Muradin jumps on you, you're screwed if you rely on Flash Heal to heal. I personally have more success with the Divine Star build, and have more fun as well. I often top hero damage during early-mid game as Bold Strategy let me trade more efficiently. 

https://heroesprofile.com/Global/Talents/?hero=Anduin

Statistics shows that Bold Strategy has the highest pick rate AND win rate out of the 3 choices. Blessed Recovery's win rate is noticeably higher than the others, meaning it's possibly the best choice. Lightbomb is the less popular but more successful heroic. And Varian's Legacy's win rate is much higher than the alternatives. 

[KendricSwissh 66]

Hello, what are you trying to say? Are you happy with our builds or do you prefer other builds more? 

Or is it just your general statements you posted here?