Frenzy HotNS Barbarian

[Damien 1,514]

This thread is for comments about our Frenzy HotNS Barbarian build.

[Guest Katrina]

Question I feel that adding rorg in cube to put aquilla on I feel it might work also using leap death from above for the stun and low cooldown 

[Nobbie 2]

Hi there,

I've seen several Frenzy HotNS Barbarian guide thus far, but none of them takes into account the new Kanai Cube "meta" in season 20. So here's my question:

What combination in Kanai's Cube could prove more powerful than the standard weapon/armor/jewelry applications? I could imagine, for example, Bastion's Revered/The Furnace/RORG in the cube, and then replace the set legs by the Depth Diggers. Or Bastion's Revered/Messerschmidt's Reaver (for CDR)/RORG in the cube, Mortick's Brace (for all WotB runes), and then replace the set legs by the Depth Diggers. It also seems to be possible to set up a viable Freeze build with the new cube meta, incl. e.g. Frostburns, Rimeheart, Eun-jang-do, Iceblink etc pp.

Edited March 7, 2020 by Nobbie

[Guest Gtor]

Use aquilla bracers and shoulders. Use RORG and add some life per hit on one of the weapons and on the gloves. This build you posted is really bad. Mine outperforms all the current barbarian builds including whirlwind!

[Nobbie 2]

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Use aquilla bracers and shoulders.

"...bracers and shoulders"? What are you talking about?

[Yolo 40]

6 hours ago, Nobbie said:

"...bracers and shoulders"? What are you talking about?

I think he means Aughild's. 

[Nobbie 2]

Ok. But how do you get critical items like CoE, Depth Diggers, or BoM in there? Can't have it all despite the season 20 cube meta, I suppose?

[Valks 2,375]

On 3/8/2020 at 2:30 AM, Guest Gtor said:

Use aquilla bracers and shoulders. Use RORG and add some life per hit on one of the weapons and on the gloves. This build you posted is really bad. Mine outperforms all the current barbarian builds including whirlwind!

Please do share the build/your testing of it, since AFAIK, nobody has pushed higher with HotNS than WW.

[Valks 2,375]

On 3/7/2020 at 4:33 PM, Nobbie said:

Hi there,

I've seen several Frenzy HotNS Barbarian guide thus far, but none of them takes into account the new Kanai Cube "meta" in season 20. So here's my question:

What combination in Kanai's Cube could prove more powerful than the standard weapon/armor/jewelry applications? I could imagine, for example, Bastion's Revered/The Furnace/RORG in the cube, and then replace the set legs by the Depth Diggers. Or Bastion's Revered/Messerschmidt's Reaver (for CDR)/RORG in the cube, Mortick's Brace (for all WotB runes), and then replace the set legs by the Depth Diggers. It also seems to be possible to set up a viable Freeze build with the new cube meta, incl. e.g. Frostburns, Rimeheart, Eun-jang-do, Iceblink etc pp.

Deadset is going to be looking into the meta as it evolves with the new season, but I don't think we'll see much change in this build personally. No matter what you try to replace, you'll end up losing something more important IMO. For example, you lose CoE or Band of Might in your example. Either you lose the large damage boost of CoE (which is far more useful than The Furnace) or the survivability of Band of Might, which will cap your progression massively, simply due to dying to things way too often at higher GRs.

As for the frost build, the build now features Azurewrath as a BiS weapon, but we might look into a separate variation specifically for Freeze, if it ends up being viable. 

At this point, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Nobbie 2]

Ok, thank you.

[Guest Super Aardvark]

The Speed Farming Variation says you should cube RoRG instead of Band of Might, in order to wear Depth Diggers and cube Chilanik's Chain. However, with the Season 20 buff, this is needlessly complicated. The guide should say to replace Band of Might in the cube with Chilanik's Chain directly.

[Ubersonic 1]

Hi guys, I've been using this build since the season hit as I really wanted to try out the new set.  I currently have all of the items except the Azurewrath.

However I do have an ancient Shard of Hate which I'm using because with frenzy being super fast and a cold skill it makes the SoH launch out frozen skulls like a machine gun, like seriously if I hold shift and the frenzy button they fire out like a gatling cannon.  My rational for using this (apart from "crap I have no Azurewrath") is that (according to wikis) the skull freezes mobs, so it should proc the 2pc set bonus from savages, right?

I think it's working as I'm melting stuff in max torment and high GR, but have no way of being sure.

Edited March 19, 2020 by Ubersonic

[Yolo 40]

6 hours ago, Ubersonic said:

Hi guys, I've been using this build since the season hit as I really wanted to try out the new set.  I currently have all of the items except the Azurewrath.

However I do have an ancient Shard of Hate which I'm using because with frenzy being super fast and a cold skill it makes the SoH launch out frozen skulls like a machine gun, like seriously if I hold shift and the frenzy button they fire out like a gatling cannon.  My rational for using this (apart from "crap I have no Azurewrath") is that (according to wikis) the skull freezes mobs, so it should proc the 2pc set bonus from savages, right?

I think it's working as I'm melting stuff in max torment and high GR, but have no way of being sure.

It should proc the set bonus of course. The only downside to this that it might freeze mobs not in your range of Frenzy, which means you need to hunt them down one by one instead of herding them together. The damage of the skull is miniscule. 

Azurewrath would be better for pushing because of the innate cold damage % buffing your Frenzy, and the on-hit chance only Freezing mobs you will hit. 

[Guest Gamer17]

I used savage/ aughild build. Awesome. Aughild wrist and helm. Cube same as normal savage build except ring of grandeur in cube. I also use leap instead of furious charge.

[Guest No Account : /]

On 4/20/2020 at 9:22 AM, Guest Gamer17 said:

I used savage/ aughild build. Awesome. Aughild wrist and helm. Cube same as normal savage build except ring of grandeur in cube. I also use leap instead of furious charge.

What did you take out when you added RORG?

[Reno 0]

Nit pick, but you can't roll All resistance on the feet.

[Yolo 40]

23 hours ago, Reno said:

Nit pick, but you can't roll All resistance on the feet.

*cracking screen background reveals John Cena* Are you sure about that? 

You can't roll All resistance on any item that has single-elements resistance rolled in it's secondaries. 

[Guest Damarus]

Swapped out Depth Diggers for Aquila in cube, swapped Motrick's for Strongarm and that gave some room to switch Nerves of Steel for Brawler. Pretty low on the GR ranks right now, ~75 but it's working really well without optimal rolls for CDR. 100% uptime on good survivability through Aquila/Band of Might, strongarm and brawler is compensating for damage.

[Deadset 108]

15 hours ago, Guest Damarus said:

Swapped out Depth Diggers for Aquila in cube, swapped Motrick's for Strongarm and that gave some room to switch Nerves of Steel for Brawler. Pretty low on the GR ranks right now, ~75 but it's working really well without optimal rolls for CDR. 100% uptime on good survivability through Aquila/Band of Might, strongarm and brawler is compensating for damage.

Heya! I can understand the desire to up your survivability, and Aquila is a very natural choice in that regard. I wouldn’t drop Depth Diggers though, since they are a direct, 100% uptime damage multiplier. If you’re playing solo, perhaps you can try simply swapping the Convention of Elements from the recommended setup in the guide for a Unity, along with a Unity + immortality relic on your follower? This will result in the same 50% damage reduction as Aquila, but lets you keep Depth Diggers. (If you play in parties a lot, I’d probably do something like wearing the Aquila instead of the HotNS chest piece, cubing a Ring of Royal Grandeur, and wearing a Band of Might instead of CoE.)

[Ubersonic 1]

Hi, the guide says to use the Istvan's blades set for this season for the set bonus, but you get that bonus for spending fury, how are we supposed to activate it with this build? Are we just supposed to hammer the Battle Rage key? :S

[Deadset 108]

On 11/21/2020 at 10:01 PM, Ubersonic said:

Hi, the guide says to use the Istvan's blades set for this season for the set bonus, but you get that bonus for spending fury, how are we supposed to activate it with this build? Are we just supposed to hammer the Battle Rage key? :S

Hey! Hammering it is not necessary as the bonuses last for 5 seconds, but once stacked up it needs frequent refreshing with a spender, yes (Battle Rage in this case). An alternative setup if this seems too inconvenient to play (which I can definitely understand) is to simply go with the default Burning Axe of Sankis + Oathkeeper combo and get Ring of Royal Grandeur in the 4th Cube slot, allowing you to go for 2-piece Aughild set in your bracers and shoulders. This lets you keep the original playstyle of the build, without too much spam.

[Guest Concerned Barbarian]

You're saying use the Twinned Blades set... But doesn't that proc on resource spent, but all you have are resource generators side from battle rage which has a cooldown. I'm confused as to how this would even work...

[Guest Less Concerned Barba]

40 minutes ago, Guest Concerned Barbarian said:

You're saying use the Twinned Blades set... But doesn't that proc on resource spent, but all you have are resource generators side from battle rage which has a cooldown. I'm confused as to how this would even work...

I see where my mistake is!! BR has no cooldown. Hmm, I'll give this build a shot! I was making basically the exact same build but wasn't sure what my last ability should be, ie Leap, Ground Stomp, or Furious Charge. Forgot about FC's innate cooldown reduction rune. ? Thanks.

[Guest Soulstone]

The weapons choices are not consistant between the gear and stats page. Which ones should I be using and what should I slot into number four if I am using Oathkeeper?

[Deadset 108]

On 11/28/2020 at 1:57 PM, Guest Soulstone said:

The weapons choices are not consistant between the gear and stats page. Which ones should I be using and what should I slot into number four if I am using Oathkeeper?

Hey there, I checked the page and they look correct to me, but perhaps the Season and Non-Season recommendations stacked together end up a little confusing in a single table. You have two possible setups, the way I look at it:

1) You do the one recommended at the front page of the build, wearing The Slanderer and Little Rogue and cubing Bastion's Revered (weapon slot) and Oathkeeper (4th slot).

2) You decide spamming a Fury spender via Battle Rage is stupid and you want to keep the original playstyle - so yo wear Oathkeeper and The Burning Axe of Sankis , cube Bastion's Revered (weapon slot) and use Ring of Royal Grandeur (4th slot). The ring will let you add one more set to the build, the craftable Aughild's, using the bracers (Aughild's Search ) and, say, the shoulders ( Aughild's Power ), while keeping the HotNS 6-piece bonus.