wow Early Signs of the Upcoming Shadowlands Level Squish Show Up on WoW Armory

[Stan 5,240]

We're expecting a level squish in Shadowlands and the first signs come from the official WoW Armory where a piece of code slipped through as level requirements for older raids have been decreased in some instances.

The Emerald Nightmare, Trial of Valor, The Nighthold, and Tomb of Sargeras are currently displayed in the armory as available at level 35 (down from level 110).

Antorus still hasn't been updated and requires level 110.

All Cataclysm raids require level 85 besides Firelands which had its level requirement reduced to 25.

For Wrath of the Lich King raids, the clear outlier is Ulduar available at level 20 (down from 80).

The Burning Crusade raids have two outliers; Black Temple available at level 20 (down from 70) and Karazhan available at level 68 (down from 70).

Oddly enough, the required level for Vanilla raids is 50 (down from level 60).

Battle for Azeroth, Mists of Pandaria and Warlords of Draenor raids show no signs of the level squish as of yet. You can find more about the planned level squish here.

[SidonisAntares 290]

That seems kind of at odds with the speech they gave at Blizzcon where the example was "choose which expansion you want to level in after the starting area to go from 10-50, and then at 50 you go to Shadowlands until level cap". Looks like they may have abandoned parallel leveling paths and stuck to just a straight squish. On a side note, I wonder if Legion will get double squished and become a side-by-side with Draenor, similar to TBC/WOTLK and CATA/MOP.

[Lithari 194]

35 minutes ago, SidonisAntares said:

That seems kind of at odds with the speech they gave at Blizzcon where the example was "choose which expansion you want to level in after the starting area to go from 10-50, and then at 50 you go to Shadowlands until level cap". Looks like they may have abandoned parallel leveling paths and stuck to just a straight squish. On a side note, I wonder if Legion will get double squished and become a side-by-side with Draenor, similar to TBC/WOTLK and CATA/MOP.

It might still mean you can choose, i mean doing any of the expansions, i tend to be ready for the next expansion within 2-3 zones (i do every quest), like Legion for Example, i am ready for BfA content by the time i finish 2 zones and that is solo and without doing dungeons.

So, it could still be the way they talked about, all the expansions so far have enough quests in them to allow that leveling (10-50) it will just require the xp reward and kills reward changes to balance it out, so it is possible.

My concern are the heirlooms, i have mine fully upgraded to 120.....unless they will be changed to be tiers, 15-30-45-60, but ultimatlely be replaced at max level as gear rewards become available....hmmm.

 

Anyway, i suggest we wait for more info before we jump to conclusions.

[Bobbis 208]

48 minutes ago, SidonisAntares said:

That seems kind of at odds with the speech they gave at Blizzcon where the example was "choose which expansion you want to level in after the starting area to go from 10-50, and then at 50 you go to Shadowlands until level cap". Looks like they may have abandoned parallel leveling paths and stuck to just a straight squish. On a side note, I wonder if Legion will get double squished and become a side-by-side with Draenor, similar to TBC/WOTLK and CATA/MOP.

It's completely unrelated. The speech at Blizzcon was about "Chromie Time", where you do choose an expac (as a vet, new players get BfA), and you level 10-50 doing that xpac. The alternative is talk to Chromie, ignore that method and level through each zone expac with it's brackets. Raids aren't part of levelling, so makes sense they have lower brackets for farming tmog etc.

[Bobbis 208]

12 minutes ago, Lithari said:

My concern are the heirlooms, i have mine fully upgraded to 120.....unless they will be changed to be tiers, 15-30-45-60, but ultimatlely be replaced at max level as gear rewards become available....hmmm.

 

Anyway, i suggest we wait for more info before we jump to conclusions.

I'd wager they will be changing those to brackets to match the raids above, as they're still a gold sink, though ideally, just remove that and make them all 1-50 standard, 1-60 in 9.2 ish

[Dejo93 1,023]

I just hope we get legacy loot for Legion raids so we can more easily complete sets

[darkgreenwax 412]

what a bizarre feeling to be raiding ICC with a bunch of level 20s

[Lithari 194]

15 hours ago, Dejo93 said:

I just hope we get legacy loot for Legion raids so we can more easily complete sets

Probably or it will still be lootable after this change in shadowlands....if not there will be a warning set out to get them all before shadowlands.

[Lithari 194]

15 hours ago, Bobbis said:

I'd wager they will be changing those to brackets to match the raids above, as they're still a gold sink, though ideally, just remove that and make them all 1-50 standard, 1-60 in 9.2 ish

True, but what about those that upgraded them all already? do we have to pay again? cause doing those upgrades cost ALOT of gold

[Brutalis 165]

I assume this will also effect when mogs from these raids are usable by a character? No more level restrictions, or lower, on mogging will be pretty neat come Shadowland's inevitable content lull and the desire to level alts.

[dartbodman 64]

How very odd that they've lowered the level on Karazhan but it's still higher than the new level cap.

[Mei 0]

The Timewalking Raids are the most affected. The change to the others is odd, but I'm sure we'll se more changes soon. 

[Scrooloose 0]

21 hours ago, Bobbis said:

Raids aren't part of levelling, so makes sense they have lower brackets for farming tmog etc.

Yeah but i read that they wont be accessible till 50. I love making old expansion max twinked characters. 

Copied from my mmo champ thread:

Farming old raids should not be a problem but what I don't understand is how previous expansion twink alts are going to work. I enjoy playing level 60, 70, 80 and 85 twinks in pvp and dueling outside SW and Org. I've done a bit of research and i really not happy with the findings. Apparently, in SL, if i want to make a level 50 Classic or BC twink ive been told it will be impossible because from from 1-49 if i choose to level my alt in classic zones, everything will scale to my level as normal but once i ding 50, all classic dungeons and raids will scale down to something around lv 15. So if i try to make a twink at level 15 it will be impossible as MC, SWL and AQ will all be level 50 to me. In other words, all older dungeons and raids will scale down once i ding level 50 so there will be nothing to farm.

For example:

I make a warrior alt - Level 1-49 in Classic zones.
All mobs scale to my level in a similar system to what they have now (except it will be 1-49)
MC, BWL and AQ will be level 50 to me while i am leveling so i cant farm them.

I ding 50!


So Option 1:
All old content scales down to an appropriate level to match the older leveling experience :
MC, BWL, AQ - level 15
BC Raids - Level 20
WOTLK - Level 25
Cata - Level 30
Pandaland - Level 35
WoD - Level 40
Legion - Level 45
BFA - Level 50

so therefore at level 50 i can only group up with other twinks and farm BFA content.

Option 2:
Every dungeon and raid in older content scales to level 50.
This would make for some very interesting twinking (MC and AQ gear on the same par as Nyalotha mythic wtf?)

Option 2 is very unlikley but i dont like the idea of option one at all as it means the end of previous expansion twink alts

Edited March 7, 2020 by Scrooloose

[Bobbis 208]

7 hours ago, Lithari said:

True, but what about those that upgraded them all already? do we have to pay again? cause doing those upgrades cost ALOT of gold

Probably keep them fully upgraded, just squished down.

  

1 hour ago, Scrooloose said:

Yeah but i read that they wont be accessible till 50. I love making old expansion max twinked characters. 

Copied from my mmo champ thread:

 

Short version, stop worrying until we get official numbers, it's all theory and bugs until then, inc w.e you read since afaik there's been nothing official on the scaling of the squish, nor raid levels

[fxlm387 20]

Hmmm would like to see a new class for shadowland , focus on support and boosting others maybe? its all about numbers these day it would be fresh to see a new role. The 60 squish is a great opportunities to rework the class talent leveling etc but so far it is still just about numbers ...