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Guest Boba   

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Most of this tierlist is wrong IMHO. Seeing ETC so low on the ranks same with Tyrael. They both were picked or banned so heavily in almost all tournaments. None of them are hard to play. Same with Mei and many many others. Also the layout is like 70% heroes are Ok rest either very bad or very good. This is like saying - yea most of heroes are good. Why then make tierlist.

Again Genji was go to pick or ban, same with anna. Just check some CCL picks.

Tychus - Easy to play and definitely S tier.

Taunt Varian - just so good no skill needed and with just a basic focus from team is easily S tier. Immense carry potential.

Stukov - 100% S tier. Highest heal output. If you learn just to use your E extremely powerful healer. Easier than rehgar.

All in all i think this tierlist has 0 value to rly good players and teams same as to average or below average players.

Either make it for new players - Raynor, Tychus goint into S tier.

Or make an overall tierlist not based on the difficulty od the hero. Orphea 100% S tier…

 

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Elitesparkle    16

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21 hours ago, Guest Boba said:

Most of this tierlist is wrong IMHO. Seeing ETC so low on the ranks same with Tyrael. They both were picked or banned so heavily in almost all tournaments. None of them are hard to play. Same with Mei and many many others. Also the layout is like 70% heroes are Ok rest either very bad or very good. This is like saying - yea most of heroes are good. Why then make tierlist.

Again Genji was go to pick or ban, same with anna. Just check some CCL picks.

Tychus - Easy to play and definitely S tier.

Taunt Varian - just so good no skill needed and with just a basic focus from team is easily S tier. Immense carry potential.

Stukov - 100% S tier. Highest heal output. If you learn just to use your E extremely powerful healer. Easier than rehgar.

All in all i think this tierlist has 0 value to rly good players and teams same as to average or below average players.

Either make it for new players - Raynor, Tychus goint into S tier.

Or make an overall tierlist not based on the difficulty od the hero. Orphea 100% S tier…

I think it's fine to disagree with Tier Lists, however, you are using incorrect data to back up your arguments. All the Heroes you mentioned when talking about CCL did not perform well in recent tournaments. You can see that by using Heroes Profile, preferably filtering by Season 4 because some Heroes changed over the last year.

What you are looking at is our General Tier List, aimed at players who do not play at high Ranks. While there are certainly many aspects of the game that are true at any level of play, recommending the same Heroes to everyone is not ideal. For that reason, a separate Master Tier List has been created, with a slightly different layout.

Besides the fact that most if not all Heroes can be good in certain situations, the Heroes have been distributed across 4 Tiers to represent their relative powerlevel. We cannot evenly distribute them just because the layout would look bad otherwise. If the metagame looks like that, then the Tier List will look like that as well.

If you are skilled on a low-Tier Hero and you feel like the enemies cannot deal with them, nothing stops you from picking that Hero. We cannot recommend a skill-intensive Hero that the average player will not have an easy time playing, especially if weak to many counters. Similarly, a Hero that is easy to play but does not have much carry potential does not really belong to a high Tier.

Last but not the least, Tier Lists shouldn't be seen as a gospel but as a guideline. In every Tier List, there are always some Heroes that could be a Tier higher or a Tier lower because they are never going to be 100% perfect. The target of a Tier List is just to give a general idea of the metagame, so that players can decide what to play and know what to expect against them.

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Guest Boba again   

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No and no... sorry but your arguments are invalid. The tierlist is generaly wrong in my opinion. You are trying to evade any discussion about certain heroes being placed in certain tiers.

Relative powerlevel - what does that mean? You just take winrates? How did you make this tier? Based on what?

Why is ETC in the worst bracket? Same as taunt Varian? Explain this... They are lower than Arthas? Than Stitches? Really? Completely utterly wrong. Confusing newcommers. 

Same with Tychus, Stukov... both extremely good heroes... talking about Tychus he is very simple. Compared to Junkrat or Guldan? Oh comme on you can not be serious. Unimpactful dmg and hard to play.

Aiming at: not a high ranks... so you put a certain hero higher because he is simple to play. Fine. So why the hell Orphea is so high? Same with Li-ming. They are very hard to play. Very mechanical. Low rank player will struggle as hell with Orphea, Flastad, Dehaka, Garrosh, Li-Ming.

This tierlist just has no consistency. 

My point is - make either list of very strong heroes that are simple to play - which this tierlist is definitely not correct. Taunt Varian is much much more easier to play and execute than Garrosh - yet he is lower - way lower. Or make it a tierlist which is based on how the heroes perform at max. skill lvl - which this one is not either.

I just want to prevent new players from being confused by this tierlist. I guess that veterans do not need tierlists at all.

 

 

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Elitesparkle    16

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On 10/7/2023 at 11:34 AM, Borengar said:

Is it the same Elitesparkle from ESOX community back in the days?

Hi, the same Borengar from ESOX community back in the days. 😄

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Guest Pispop   

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i dont really have any problems with this tier list.  but we just had a patch a few weeks ago.  can you update for changes with hogger and others?

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Elitesparkle    16

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On 5/30/2024 at 11:52 AM, Guest Pispop said:

i dont really have any problems with this tier list.  but we just had a patch a few weeks ago.  can you update for changes with hogger and others?

I prefer to wait a bit before making changes about balance. Since it has been 2 weeks already, I'll make some changes today and then adjust them if needed. Thanks for the comment!

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Guest Nitra   

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Imagine saying that hogger and artanis are at the same level, or that hanzo is mid and abathur and medivh, arguably some of the best heros in the game, are D tier. Same thing with Genji, kaelthas, etc... This list seems pretty random to me. The one made by FanHOTS is way better.

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Elitesparkle    16

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As explained in the introduction, this is not a Tier List for high Ranks. If you are looking for that kind of content, take a look at our Master Tier List. We made a separate Tier List exactly because Heroes that are hard to play and/or don't have a kit that let them shine in uncoordinated play cannot be rated in the same way for casual players and for top players.

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Guest Thank your   

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Thank you Elitesparkle for your tier list. I'm an old player coming back to the game and your tier list is helping me a lot. Keep up the good work!

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      Level 1 Recklessness Basic Attack damage bonus reduced from 15% to 10%. Level 10 Guillotine Cooldown reduced from 40 seconds to 30 seconds. Mana cost reduced from 70 to 60. Taz'dingo! Cooldown increased from 90 seconds to 100 seconds. Mana cost increased from 75 to 80. Level 16 Let the Killing Begin Kill window reduced from 1.5 seconds to 0.5 seconds. Level 20 Buzzsaw Kill window reduced from 1.5 seconds to 0.5 seconds. Return to Top
      Bug Fixes
      General
      Experience Globes can now path through gates. Fixed issues related to root visual effects. Updated decaying and ramping Slows to scale their speed with CC reduction effects. Heroes
      Alexstrasza Base Flame Buffet [E] Fixed an issue that caused Flame Buffet's Slow to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Azmodan Level 13 Chain of Command Fixed an issue that caused Chain of Command to not apply to Demonic Invasion's on-death explosion. Brightwing Base Phase Shift [Z] Fixed an issue with Phase Shift's Store Icon. Chen Level 10 Storm, Earth, Fire Fixed an issue that caused Storm, Earth, Fire Spirits to not contest Capture Points. Cho'Gall General Fixed an issue that caused Cho'Gall to contest points while Cho is in Stasis. Dehaka Base Brushstalker [Z] Fixed an issue with Brushstalker's Store Icon. Will now clamp the minimum cast range to Dehaka's radius. E.T.C. Base Face Smelt [W] Fixed an issue that caused Face Smelt's Slow to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Level 7 Pinball Wizard Bonus damage updated to be additive. Falstad Base Flight [Z] Fixed an issue with Flight's Store Icon. Level 10 Mighty Gust Fixed an issue that caused Mighty Gust's Slow to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Fenix Level 1 Arsenal Synergy Fixed an issue that caused Arsenal Synergy to not grant cooldown reduction for the primary target hit by Phase Bomb. Level 4 Inhibiting Energy Fixed an issue that caused Inhibiting Energy to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Johanna Base Punish [Q] Fixed an issue that caused Punish to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Kharazim Level 4 Air Ally Fixed an issue that caused Air Ally's heal FX to be visible in Fog of War. Lúcio Base Wall Ride [Z] Fixed an issue with Wall Ride's Store Icon. Lunara Base Crippling Spores [W] Fixed an issue that caused Crippling Spores to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Maiev Level 16 Armored Assault Fixed an issue that caused Armored Assault to not grant the full bonus to Umbral Bind's Cleave. Mei Base Icing [E] Fixed an issue that caused Icing's Slow to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Level 10 Ice Wall Fixed an issue that caused Ice Wall to not apply Stopped to D.Va's Self Destruct. Muradin Level 4 Thunder Burn Tooltip has been updated to show Thunder Burn is a multiplicative reduction. Level 13 Thunder Strike Damage increase is now additive. Probius Base Worker Rush [Z] Fixed an issue with Work Rush's Store Icon. Rehgar Base Purge [Trait] Fixed an issue that caused Purge to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Samuro Base Critical Strike [W] Fixed an issue that caused Critical Strike FX to persist if Samuro is killed while he has maximum Critical Strike stacks. Level 13 Kawarimi Fixed an issue that caused Kawarimi to create a Mirror Image with the incorrect starting Health. Sgt. Hammer Base Thrusters [Z] Fixed an issue with Thrusters' Store Icon. Stukov Base Weighted Pustule [W] Fixed an issue that caused Weighted Pustule's increasing Slow to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. Sylvanas Level 1 Unfurling Shadows Fixed an issue that caused Unfurling Shadows to not grant quest progress for the impact damage of Shadow Dagger created by spread. The Butcher Base Hamstring [Q] Fixed an issue that caused Hamstring to be instantly removed on targets with reduced duration on being Slowed. The Lost Vikings Base Go Go Go! [Z] Fixed an issue with Go Go Go's Store Icon. Zagara Level 20 Pack Instinct Fixed an issue that caused Devouring Maw to gain more bonuses than intended from Pack Instinct. Return to Top
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      Dominate Every Map in Heroes of the Storm: Complete Guide
      By Staff
      Master every Heroes of the Storm battleground with our detailed map guides, featuring strategies for objectives and drafting!

      Heroes of the Storm features a wide range of maps, each offering unique objectives and strategies. To help players excel in every battleground, we’ve created comprehensive guides that cover drafting, objectives, and gameplay for all maps.


      Alterac Pass: Free Cavalries from Prison Camps to fight alongside your team. Battlefield of Eternity: Secure Immortals to destroy enemy structures. Blackheart’s Bay: Collect Doubloons to fire Captain Blackheart’s cannons. Braxis Holdout: Control Beacons to summon powerful Zerg waves. Cursed Hollow: Gather Tributes to curse the enemy team and gain an advantage. Dragon Shire: Control Shrines to summon the mighty Dragon Knight. Garden of Terror: Collect Seeds to unleash Garden Terrors on your enemies. Hanamura Temple: Escort Payloads to deal damage to enemy structures. Infernal Shrines: Summon Punishers by defeating Guardians at Shrines. Sky Temple: Capture Temples to rain laser blasts on enemy structures. Tomb of the Spider Queen: Turn in Gems to summon Webweavers to assist your team. Towers of Doom: Capture Altars to damage the enemy Core indirectly. Volskaya Foundry: Control Capture Points to pilot the Triglav Protector. Warhead Junction: Collect Warheads to bombard enemy structures.
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