wow Shadowlands Refunds Have Been Opened

[Arcnail 3]

I'm thinking about it if for only 1 reason. They've been deaf and pig headed all along about Covenants. Popular YouTubers/Streamers have been saying it since day 1 that they are a bad idea and a lot of others agree.

They can never be balanced, and will almost always have people choosing one for the ability(ies) it gives, not the lore or the mount etc.

I do think the short notice is a bit of a *filtered* move to.. but minor in contrast to the fact they didn't listen to the community this whole time.

[Dvanom 34]

I may have overreacted in the last post.

Please be aware that people beta tested for the majority of this year, and they done a huuuge job, and blizzard Didnt adress what they told them, thats why SL is its *filtered* state right now. So its very lame of blizzard to do what they are doing now indicating changes which need to be Tested again which may need weeks months of testing which this people who have Feedback are already sick off.
 

the delay DOES NOT guarantee better quality of Shadowlands

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Dvanom

[Starym 3,800]

5 hours ago, Brutalis said:

I guarantee you that the pandemic is to blame. With everyone, around the world, struggling currently, it is no surprise that the game has been delayed since people may not have been able to come to work, been too sick to work from home, etc. I understand your frustration but anger is uncalled for.

This is almost 100% correct, however, it is also Blizzard's fault (and many MANY other companies that did this same thing) for not seeing that the work from home will affect their deadlines. Of course it was going to be slower with an entirely new system of development and I'm genuinely shocked so many game devs fell into the same trap (obv they knew but their publisher bosses wouldn't allow a properly timed delay announce because "just get it done in time lol").

[Arcling 898]

4 hours ago, UeberwachtZwei said:

Another disaster like BfA mustn't happen at this point, especially with Warcraft III bombing and Overwatch 2 being pushed back, as well.  

The issue is not that Blizzard is delaying Shadowlands, it is the lack of communication over the last weeks and months. No hints on the pre-patch date was a clear sign of inner turmoil. Ion's  lie about the ripcord (there never has been one) was audacious. Stripping down features (e.g. the Maw content, Thorgast levels) is a warning sign that there has been a mismanagement, and pouring resources in borrowed power systems instead of content lies at the core of Blizzards troubles with delivering its fabled quality and polish.

Based on what we've seen with BfA beta, I think it's certain that feedback about those power systems isn't going to do much, if anything. It appears this is their current approach, once they are set on a certain system, they are going to implement it anyway. We may see it expanded, with some band-aids, similar to Azerite essences and that's all. At least we can hope they will fix a few critical bugs meanwhile.

Warcraft III Reforged being met with poor reception doesn't matter, I'm afraid. It was a "niche" project and it barely had any marketing, pretty sure most people forgot about it. There have been some patches since release, but they aren't receiving any widespread attention. Also, it was review-bombed, many of those people probably never even played the game or had any interest in it. Anyway, it's disastrous launch likely didn't change much, in how they are approaching their other games. Although their lack of news for Overwatch 2 is concerning, especially with their e-sport still being around, it should have been advertised from time to time. Otherwise I'm not sure how they want to get people's attention. 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Arcling

[Starseed 113]

4 minutes ago, Arcling said:

Based on what we've seen with BfA beta, I think it's certain that feedback about those power systems isn't going to do much, if anything. It appears this their current approach, once they are set on a certain system, they are going to implement it. We may see it expanded, with some band-aids, similar to Azerite essences. 

 

The thing i dont understand is from the start on people and the mighty youtube content creators in all there wisdom are saying the dont want borrowed power and that its so bat since legion but what is the alternative?

instead of borrowed power you could get one or two new abilitys evere xpac and they are part of your class and are staying with you in the next one then sooner or later the need to cut youre skills down cause you have to many and then one half of the playerbase is gone cry cause there favorite got cut and that blizz is stupid cause this or that skills deserves to be cut of.

i hope you understand what i mean. i think borrowed power is a nice way to give us new skills every xpac without the need of reworking every class entirely and when they see that somthing workt out good and players love a certain skill they can weave it in the class with the next xpac  

[Arcling 898]

7 minutes ago, N3ilo said:

i hope you understand what i mean. i think borrowed power is a nice way to give us new skills every xpac without the need of reworking every class entirely and when they see that somthing workt out good and players love a certain skill they can weave it in the class with the next xpac  

It certainly makes things harder to balance, especially with how many combinations Covenants introduce. Those borrowed skills still need to work alongside class abilities. Once they are gone in next expansion, they need to rework classes. For example, Legion relied heavily on artifact powers. They removed them for BfA and certain classes/builds felt pretty boring or even weaker (and they also recycled some into talents).

Edited October 2, 2020 by Arcling

[Starseed 113]

4 minutes ago, Arcling said:

They removed them for BfA and certain classes/builds felt pretty boring or even weaker (and they also recycled some into talents).

this is totaly true u are right borrowed power isnt a perfect thing and when the power is gone they need to work on the classes or replace one borrowed power with another but i would not say they recycled them into talents that is what i meant with weaving in skills that workt good or are loved by the players

[TheRagingwolf 258]

On 10/2/2020 at 5:25 AM, Brutalis said:

I guarantee you that the pandemic is to blame. With everyone, around the world, struggling currently, it is no surprise that the game has been delayed since people may not have been able to come to work, been too sick to work from home, etc. I understand your frustration but anger is uncalled for.

They said as much in their official release. The remote work issue has made much more difficult on them. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.