Marksmanship Hunter PvE

[Azortharion 60]

3 minutes ago, username22 said:

So... why does talents recommend taking Serpent Sting when it's not listed as being used in the rotation?

Because it is required to access the talent below it, which in turn is triggered by this talent:

[Guest Guest Kinggy]

Hello Azor, 

Why are the talent for Amirdrassil Raid marksman ST differ from the ST talent under " Builds and Talent " when you state it is the default single target build?  ... It is confusing me.

[Guest Laerune]

Why does your BiS list list things that are not available to purchase with bullion? Looked up how to improve, checked the BiS list, and literally every single item mentioned to buy with bullion cannot actually be purchased. 

[Azortharion 60]

9 hours ago, Guest Laerune said:

Why does your BiS list list things that are not available to purchase with bullion? Looked up how to improve, checked the BiS list, and literally every single item mentioned to buy with bullion cannot actually be purchased. 

Hi there. I just checked, and every item on the BiS List that the guide says you can purchase with Bullions, is in fact purchasable with Bullions. I have purchased almost all of them myself.

Don't forget that there are 3 Bullion vendors, each selling items from different raids.

[Azortharion 60]

On 4/21/2024 at 1:05 PM, Guest Guest Kinggy said:

Hello Azor, 

Why are the talent for Amirdrassil Raid marksman ST differ from the ST talent under " Builds and Talent " when you state it is the default single target build?  ... It is confusing me.

I fixed this discrepancy but forgot to reply to your post. Rest assured it is fixed, thank you for your feedback.

[Guest Laerune]

I did indeed forget. Sorry. 

[Guest Kinggy]

Hello Azor, 

It is me again. 

I would love to clarify under " AOE opener for marksman hunter" step 11, you mention to follow the priority list above however there are another priority list below. Which one do we actually base on? step 1-10 or the priority list below? 

Appreciate your time! 

[Guest Kinggy]

Hello Azor, 

 

For mythic talent, do we really use steady focus? Because when i select "Mythic+/AOE" loadout, steady focus was not selected. 

Hoping for your clarification on both query.

Cheers!

[Azortharion 60]

8 hours ago, Guest Kinggy said:

Hello Azor, 

It is me again. 

I would love to clarify under " AOE opener for marksman hunter" step 11, you mention to follow the priority list above however there are another priority list below. Which one do we actually base on? step 1-10 or the priority list below? 

Appreciate your time! 

Hey. That is a typo and it is meant to say "below". I have fixed this.

[Azortharion 60]

42 minutes ago, Guest Kinggy said:

Hello Azor, 

 

For mythic talent, do we really use steady focus? Because when i select "Mythic+/AOE" loadout, steady focus was not selected. 

Hoping for your clarification on both query.

Cheers!

Yes, we do use Steady Focus.  It is found in both the Mythic+ and Raid AoE loadouts.

[Guest Kinggy]

1 hour ago, Azortharion said:

Yes, we do use Steady Focus.  It is found in both the Mythic+ and Raid AoE loadouts.

Yes, it is shown in the talents category, you're right. But i'm actually pointing at the "Mythic+/AOE' loadout under the rotation category. When i select it, steady focus talent was not checked automatically. 

But no matter now, since you have assured we will be using it for M+.

Thanks for the quick respond.

[Guest Nim]

Hey, M+ question here. I mostly agree with the build, but in regards to Bullseye - are you sure this is more valuable than Careful Aim in M+? I'm sure it sims better on longer fights, but I find it has little-to-no value on trash packs, where-as Careful Aim has immense value on trash packs. I'm also sure it does better vs. bosses both practically and in sims, but Careful Aim is also good against bosses. It's not necessary to complete the tree and go further down, so I'm wondering why the decision was made here? Careful Aim is incredibly useful in clearing trash, which is where I find MM shines in M+, as it allows me to delete packs, while Bullseye barely even stacks at all and is only useful for the last 20% of a boss fight (and even then, the stacks aren't even relevant until the boss is close to dead; it really seems like more of a raid boss perk to me).

[Azortharion 60]

5 hours ago, Guest Nim said:

Hey, M+ question here. I mostly agree with the build, but in regards to Bullseye - are you sure this is more valuable than Careful Aim in M+? I'm sure it sims better on longer fights, but I find it has little-to-no value on trash packs, where-as Careful Aim has immense value on trash packs. I'm also sure it does better vs. bosses both practically and in sims, but Careful Aim is also good against bosses. It's not necessary to complete the tree and go further down, so I'm wondering why the decision was made here? Careful Aim is incredibly useful in clearing trash, which is where I find MM shines in M+, as it allows me to delete packs, while Bullseye barely even stacks at all and is only useful for the last 20% of a boss fight (and even then, the stacks aren't even relevant until the boss is close to dead; it really seems like more of a raid boss perk to me).

Hey.

Careful Aim has the same problem of only being active for a short while. The problem is that during the 100-70 period, you're not actually hitting a ton of Aimed Shots. By the time you've gotten your "setup" out of the way, they are probably already at 85% before you hit your first Aimed Shot.

Bullseye is effectively 40%+ damage on EVERYTHING below 20% HP (after it stacks up, which can take a few seconds, but is very quick on AoE). Careful Aim is 50% damage on one ability that only does 15-20% of our overall damage on AoE. 

I'd agree that for really low/3-chested keys, neither talent is very enticing, but Bullseye is far more valuable on bosses than Careful Aim is as well. One has to consider the huge crit damage multipliers we have thanks to the new Serrated Shots amongst other things.

To further illustrate the point, I did log analysis on a top MM M+ Log in the Pre-Patch:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KZRC6PmWrHfjT91M#fight=89&type=damage-done&source=1696
 

27% of Aimed Shot's damage was on >70% HP targets. If we buff that we by 50% (thanks to Careful Aim), the talent would've been worth ~2.6% overall DPS.

19% Total Aimed Shot damage, multiplied by 0.27 makes 5.13% overall Aimed contribution.
Increasing this by 50% gets us 2.565%.

2.6% is not a terrible 1-point talent, but Bullseye is better. It's much tougher to quantify Bullseye elegantly, but consider that Bullseye had 38% uptime for the whole key (because low HP targets dropping low will give you Bullseye stacks even if the main target isn't sub-20%), then consider how quickly and reliably they reach 30 stacks in a very short amount of time:

 

Even if we assume that Bullseye averaged only 10 stacks instead of 30 for all of these, 38% uptime on ~15% total damage is still worth like 5.7%. Either way you slice it, it's worth far, far more than Careful Aim is.

[Guest Nim]

Cool, thanks for the quick response. I guess it's just an 'end of xpac' feeling as everything is falling over so fast and I'm also not pushing high keys anymore so I guess it's just a 'feels' thing.

[Guest vacca]

Minor correction on the hero talent page, overwatch spell should be https://www.wowhead.com/spell=450384/overwatch Thanks as always for the updates

[Guest Keepo]

I think there's an error in the section about the Season 1 tier set. It says to avoid crafting the helm because it doesn't have mastery but according to wowhead the helm does have mastery. I noticed on the survival guide it says to avoid crafting the chest because it doesn't have mastery which seems correct according to wowhead unless I'm missing something. Thanks for the guide.

[Guest Kullendorff]

" but keep in mind that 590 Crafts are very potent and only cost 30 Crests (and a lot of gold) to do."

Oki. I am missing something here. How do we craft them?

[Azortharion 60]

12 hours ago, Guest Keepo said:

I think there's an error in the section about the Season 1 tier set. It says to avoid crafting the helm because it doesn't have mastery but according to wowhead the helm does have mastery. I noticed on the survival guide it says to avoid crafting the chest because it doesn't have mastery which seems correct according to wowhead unless I'm missing something. Thanks for the guide.

You are correct and I have fixed this discrepancy. The reason for skipping the Helm is not Mastery - its that it has super high Haste which Marksmanship does not want. And the Helm we can swap it to (Rattling Deadeye Hood) has our best stats with the perfect distribution, i.e super high Crit.

 

 

1 hour ago, Guest Kullendorff said:

" but keep in mind that 590 Crafts are very potent and only cost 30 Crests (and a lot of gold) to do."

Oki. I am missing something here. How do we craft them?

Same way you craft any other item. You gather the materials and make a Crafting Order. 30 Weathered Crests can be converted into a Nascent Weathered Harbinger Crest, which in turn can be crafted into an Enchanted Weathered Harbinger Crest for the use of crafting. An example of a 590 Item you can craft using these Crests is the 4UT0-41M3R gun.

[Guest Cheever]

Hi Azortharion, Thx for your useful guide. People on Wowhead are reply about the Dawnthread Lining does not stack when you craft 2x items with it.

Could you pls confirm this?

Thx in advance

[Azortharion 60]

2 hours ago, Guest Cheever said:

Hi Azortharion, Thx for your useful guide. People on Wowhead are reply about the Dawnthread Lining does not stack when you craft 2x items with it.

Could you pls confirm this?

Thx in advance

It can be finicky, but it does work. If you are not getting the amount of stat you expected, try and intentionally drop below 90% HP and then heal yourself back up and see if the tooltip changes. Works for me 95% of the time.

[Guest Hunterman]

Hi Azor - quick question: 

On the AOE opener:

Volley

Activate Trueshot

Rapid Fire

Aimed Shot

Aimed Shot

Doesn't that mean we're shooting 2xAimed Shot without Trick Shots since there aren't any Multi-shot after Rapid Fire and between Aimed Shots. Is this correct? 

[Azortharion 60]

15 hours ago, Guest Hunterman said:

Hi Azor - quick question: 

On the AOE opener:

Volley

Activate Trueshot

Rapid Fire

Aimed Shot

Aimed Shot

Doesn't that mean we're shooting 2xAimed Shot without Trick Shots since there aren't any Multi-shot after Rapid Fire and between Aimed Shots. Is this correct? 

If you read Volley's tooltip, you'll see that it actually gives you 6 seconds of uninterrupted Trick Shots, enough to RF and 2x AiS with nominal Haste levels.

[Guest Kinggy]

Hello Azor, 

 

Why do we ignore precise shot in our Sentinel ST rotation? 

 

Does that also mean our 4set are useless in ST? 

[Azortharion 60]

6 hours ago, Guest Kinggy said:

Hello Azor, 

 

Why do we ignore precise shot in our Sentinel ST rotation? 

 

Does that also mean our 4set are useless in ST? 

We do not ignore it - Aimed Shot is just a higher priority than spending those stacks. But you will run out of Aimed Shot charges quickly and that is when you spend Precise Shots. You sacrifice a few Precise Shots over the whole fight to gain a few Aimed Shot casts - the latter being more valuable obviously.