Subtlety Rogue PvE

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This thread is for comments about our Subtlety Rogue Shadowlands Guide.

[Guest Osean]

Hi!

Im having trouble finding the rupture skill for subtlety. 

is it even still in the prepatch?

[Ashine 7]

4 hours ago, Guest Osean said:

Hi!

Im having trouble finding the rupture skill for subtlety. 

is it even still in the prepatch?

Hey!

It is indeed in the game, it can be found within the subtlety section of the spell book page. 

[Guest Hime]

Hey there,

just wanted to hint towards a typo i found on the first page of the sub guide: "which is an Combo Point finisher that deals damage up to 8 enemies, ". the "an" needs to be "a". Pls delete this comment after the typo has been corrected.

 

Much love

[Natalia 20]

On 10/16/2020 at 8:41 PM, Guest Hime said:

Hey there,

just wanted to hint towards a typo i found on the first page of the sub guide: "which is an Combo Point finisher that deals damage up to 8 enemies, ". the "an" needs to be "a". Pls delete this comment after the typo has been corrected.

 

Much love

Thanks for your feedback. We are fixing it.

[Guest Exodiquas]

There is a typo on "Cloak of Shadows is useful to remove Samh'reks Cascading Terror to prevent you from getting feared. Cloak of Shadowows". Cloak of Shadows is pretty good but is it ShadoWOWs good? :P

[Guest Aralgi]

There's a typo in 6.1 Breath of the Dying. 'If the target is below 20% or above 80%, the cooldown is reduced to 30 seconds.' The correct description is: the cooldown is reduced by 30 seconds. This is important because it means it is actually reduced to 15 seconds, half of the indicated cooldown in this guide.

[Ashine 7]

18 hours ago, Guest Aralgi said:

There's a typo in 6.1 Breath of the Dying. 'If the target is below 20% or above 80%, the cooldown is reduced to 30 seconds.' The correct description is: the cooldown is reduced by 30 seconds. This is important because it means it is actually reduced to 15 seconds, half of the indicated cooldown in this guide.

Thanks for pointing this out, I pushed an update to fix the typo for the last few days of BfA. 

[Guest Valkorn]

Hi guys, in the case of Kyrian without premeditation rotation, do you really gain dps by not using shadow dance at the same time than shadow blades and SOD. Yes, u will be able to have probably one or two more shadow strikes since u dont waste time on ur shadow dance by using rupture and kyrian's spell but on the other side you lose 15% damage on the kyrian's spell which deals a lot especially with SOD just before. Im pretty sure  you have tested both but just to have confirmation if its a significant gain or not.

Thanks

[Ashine 7]

On 11/25/2020 at 4:37 AM, Guest Valkorn said:

Hi guys, in the case of Kyrian without premeditation rotation, do you really gain dps by not using shadow dance at the same time than shadow blades and SOD?

Like you said, trade off is 2 shadowstrikes vs echoing reprimand and rupture in those two globals.

Reprimand is 110% of your attack power, whilst Shadowstrike is 87.35%. Without going too deep into the math, as theres quite a few other variables, Reprimand would need to do a bit more damage to be worth over 2 Shadowstrikes.

[w00t 1]

There seems to be a problem on the page https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-torghast-guide-and-best-anima-powers with the links to the "Recommended" Tree. The links appear to start like this: https://https//www.icy-veins.com/wow/soulbind-calculator?

/w00t ?

[Ashine 7]

5 hours ago, w00t said:

There seems to be a problem on the page https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-torghast-guide-and-best-anima-powers with the links to the "Recommended" Tree. The links appear to start like this: https://https//www.icy-veins.com/wow/soulbind-calculator?

/w00t ?

Thanks for heads up, should be fixed in a bit

[Muerthogar 0]

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Dreamweaver becomes better for DPS at Renown 13 as you will unlock your second Potency Conduit. As Dreamweaver is also better defensively, you should be using her for a while.

 

Just a bit of nitpicking but Dreamweaver is male.

[Ashine 7]

7 hours ago, Muerthogar said:

 

Just a bit of nitpicking but Dreamweaver is male.

Good eye, I'll fix that with next updates to the guide.

[Guest shortcut]

hey

 

what abou dealthy shadows legendary? its not listed here^^

[Ashine 7]

11 hours ago, Guest shortcut said:

hey

 

what abou dealthy shadows legendary? its not listed here^^

Hey, like mentioned in the list of Legendaries, we have only listed the competitive ones. If you do not see something in the list, it is safe to assume it does not out perform the other ones in any PvE content.

[Guest straggy]

hey. blizzard changed leviathan's eye and kraken's eye to +7 and +6 agility. might be still valuable but not that much any more

[Ashine 7]

7 hours ago, Guest straggy said:

hey. blizzard changed leviathan's eye and kraken's eye to +7 and +6 agility. might be still valuable but not that much any more

Correct, it does seem like the +7 and +6 gems are still worth using at least until we reach a bit higher item levels.

[Guest Nupid]

Weapon oils appear to be missing.

[Ashine 7]

19 hours ago, Guest Nupid said:

Weapon oils appear to be missing.

Hey, they are in the Enchants page listed after regular weapon enchants. Shaded Sharpening Stone is better than Shadowcore Oil for us.

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On 12/7/2020 at 8:07 PM, Ashine said:

Hey, they are in the Enchants page listed after regular weapon enchants. Shaded Sharpening Stone is better than Shadowcore Oil for us.

Are the stones a great deal better or just a tiny bit?

[Ashine 7]

3 hours ago, less said:

Are the stones a great deal better or just a tiny bit?

on single-target the stones and oils are very close to each other, but the Attack Power from sharpening stones scales quite a bit better for AoE.

[Guest Salohcin]

On 12/10/2020 at 10:31 AM, Ashine said:

on single-target the stones and oils are very close to each other, but the Attack Power from sharpening stones scales quite a bit better for AoE.

Question is how close the stones Vs oil + potion are to each other? This is something this page doesn't touch on at all. It first lists that sharpening stones are best and then in the next section lists the potion that also increases shadow oil damage by 10% is best. Much confused.

[Ashine 7]

4 hours ago, Guest Salohcin said:

Question is how close the stones Vs oil + potion are to each other? This is something this page doesn't touch on at all. It first lists that sharpening stones are best and then in the next section lists the potion that also increases shadow oil damage by 10% is best. Much confused.

I have not listed it simply because they were virtually the same on single-target even when using Potion of Phantom Fire (was 1 DPS difference early on in the expansion when I did the simulations) and as soon as you have 2+ targets, Sharpening stone is already better. 

It is fairly easy to sim the difference for your own toon by using Raidbots and going into Simulation options and swapping the weapon oil option there.

As an example, for my character double Sharpening Stones simulate 9 dps higher even on single-target now.

[Guest elkiki]

Hi,

I was just wondering what you meant by "Cleave situations fuel additional single-target damage." is it only to speak about the working mechanics of secret technique or smth else too ?

thanks