Elemental Shaman PvE

[positiv2 952]

This thread is for comments about our Elemental Shaman Dragonflight Guide.

[Guest Firemaus]

Spiritwalker's grace apparently is not back... at least for ele

[Stormy 11]

You can find Spiritwalker's grace in the Elemental tab of your spellbook.

[Guest Ocho]

In section 3.6 Surge of Power in the Rotations page, you wrote an example rotation as:

1. Pool Maelstrom until you have 96
2. Cast  Earth Shock
3. Cast  Stormkeeper
4. Cast  Lightning Bolt
5. Cast  Lava Burst
6. Cast  Earth Shock
7. Cast  Lightning Bolt

Why is step 6 Earth Shock instead of the Stormkeeper buffed Lightning Bolt (which is step 7 instead)? In the previous section 3.5 Master of the Elements, you have the priority of the Stormkeeper buffed Lightning Bolt (#2) above Earth Shock (#3). The only reason I can think of as to why you'd cast Earth Shock before SKLB (Stormkeeper Lightning Bolt) is if you were about to cap on Maelstrom. Is that why its #6 instead of SKLB in that section 3.6 example? Or was this a mistake?

[Seksi 208]

6 hours ago, Guest Ocho said:

In section 3.6 Surge of Power in the Rotations page, you wrote an example rotation as:

1. Pool Maelstrom until you have 96
2. Cast  Earth Shock
3. Cast  Stormkeeper
4. Cast  Lightning Bolt
5. Cast  Lava Burst
6. Cast  Earth Shock
7. Cast  Lightning Bolt

Why is step 6 Earth Shock instead of the Stormkeeper buffed Lightning Bolt (which is step 7 instead)? In the previous section 3.5 Master of the Elements, you have the priority of the Stormkeeper buffed Lightning Bolt (#2) above Earth Shock (#3). The only reason I can think of as to why you'd cast Earth Shock before SKLB (Stormkeeper Lightning Bolt) is if you were about to cap on Maelstrom. Is that why its #6 instead of SKLB in that section 3.6 example? Or was this a mistake?

You need to cast Earth Shock in order to get the Surge of Power buff that makes your Lightning Bolts overload extra times. The idea here seems to be to have both of your Stormkeeper buffed Lightning Bolts benefit from Surge of Power, thus necessitating to pool enough Maelstrom beforehand and to cast a second Earth Shock before doing your final powered up Lightning Bolt.

[Stormy 11]

As Seksi says, the goal here is to have both Stormkeeper-buffed Lightning Bolts buffed by Surge of Power via Earth Shock. 

[Guest Why not Flametongue?]

It says " Flametongue Weapon and  Primal Strike are technically in Elemental Shamans' arsenal, but they should never really be used." 

I'm just wondering why not use Flametongue? The tooltip says that it imbues each of your attacks with additional fire damage as Elemental. Is it overwriting something else? It seems like free extra damage.

[Stormy 11]

Attacks aren't spells. The only attacks you would ever do as Elemental are the very occasional white hits in melee, if that. You could get the occasional one or two damage points from this on a white hit but it's not really worth the bother. Primal Strike should never be used over Frost Shock. There's no downside to using Flametongue Weapon but it's basically placebo/decorative. 

[durdyenglish 298]

19 hours ago, Stormy said:

Attacks aren't spells. The only attacks you would ever do as Elemental are the very occasional white hits in melee, if that. You could get the occasional one or two damage points from this on a white hit but it's not really worth the bother. Primal Strike should never be used over Frost Shock. There's no downside to using Flametongue Weapon but it's basically placebo/decorative. 

The reason to use Flametongue is because you CAN. But yea, that's about it.

[Guest Why not Flametongue?]

On 11/5/2020 at 10:04 AM, Stormy said:

Attacks aren't spells. The only attacks you would ever do as Elemental are the very occasional white hits in melee, if that. You could get the occasional one or two damage points from this on a white hit but it's not really worth the bother. Primal Strike should never be used over Frost Shock. There's no downside to using Flametongue Weapon but it's basically placebo/decorative. 

Great - thanks for clearing that up, appreciate it!

[Guest Boralus Sausage]

Isn't the Boralus Blood Sausage (+13Mainstat) still the better food compared to those +30Secondary-Stat-Foods?

At least when simming i get a weight of 2+ for INT, while it's only around 0.5 for any secondary stat...
Or am i totally wrong here? ?

[Stormy 11]

You're right, most of the stat stuff is in progress and currently it seems that int's value is very high (and so is versatility's for early gearing especially). This will be corrected soon. Keep in mind that as per the disclaimers on these pages, you should ALWAYS trust personal sims above any kind of indicative stat recommendation. Eat that sausage!

[Guest Ele]

You have listed the wrong Echoes of the Great Sundering on the rotations page.  You hyperlinked to the legion one with the free cast chance and Shadowlands removed that.

[Stormy 11]

Indeed! Fixing. 

[Guest Element]

why Elemental Blast the best to use Master of the Elements buff? 

[Stormy 11]

It's not so much because Elemental Blast is "best" to use with the MotE buff but more than EB's buff+Maelstrom generation usually makes it worth using on cooldown.

In practice, it depends on the situation, this priority applies more to raid fights. In m+ for example, you will usually want to prioritize EoGS-buffed Earthquakes on trash above anything else.

[Mierelle 0]

Something not mentioned regarding the Primal Elementalist in the guide.

Without Primal Elementalist, you can use Fire Elemental and Earth Elemental at the same time.  When you have Primal Elementalist, you can not do so.  An important note for people doing solo content like world rares and Torgast.

[Stormy 11]

It is mentioned in a couple places in the guide Mierelle (in the rotation section especially) but you are right, maybe because of how important and easily missed it is, I should mention that fact more. Will add soon. 

[Guest Faceshock]

In the 7.1 Generic Opener, the rotation suggests using Echoing Shock before the first Lightning Bolt, and this is while the Stormkeeper buff is active. Doing this would make Lightning Bolt's echo consume the second charge, effectively wasting half the instant-cast benefit of Stormkeeper and makes second charge not have the benefit of Master of the Elements.

I'd think a better use of skills would be (in the case of Echoing Shock and Icefury): 

1. Cast  Vesper Totem 6 seconds before the pull if you joined the Kyrian Covenant.
2. Cast  Stormkeeper 4.5 seconds before the pull.
3. Cast  Fire Elemental/ Storm Elemental 3 seconds before the pull.
4. Use  Potion of Spectral Intellect
5. Pre-cast  Icefury 1.5 seconds from the pull.
6. Apply  Flame Shock (with  Primordial Wave if you joined the Necrolord Covenant).
7. Cast  Lava Burst.
8. Cast  Lightning Bolt ( Stormkeeper and  Master of the Elements empowered).
9. Cast  Echoing Shock (didn't use on first   Lava Burst 'cause global increases chance of wasting surge proc with 2 stacks)
10. Cast  Lava Burst.
11. Cast  Earth Shock ( Master of the Elements empowered).
12. Cast  Frost Shock empowered by  Icefury until  Lava Burst is off cooldown.
13. Cast  Lava Burst.
14. Cast  Lightning Bolt ( Stormkeeper and  Master of the Elements empowered).
15. Cast  Ascendance, if talented.
16. Proceed with normal priority.

 

More globals to manage, but think higher DPS regardless. Thoughts?

[Stormy 11]

Yeah I changed a couple things in the opener and forgot to move Echoing Shock  so it's used on Lava Burst, the change was already pending, my bad on that. 

 

As for the rest of your ideas, you definitely don't want to precast Icefury, so that doesn't work. 

[Guest Faceshock]

Under 8. Tier 6 (Level 45) Talents for Elemental Shaman:

•  Icefury hurls frigid ice at the target, dealing high damage and causing your next 4  Frost Shock to deal 100% increased damage. It generates 15 Maelstrom, has a 2-second cast time and a 30-second cooldown.

Bolded the relevant part, where it says the spell generates 15 Maelstrom. Needs update to indicate it currently generates 25.

 

[Stormy 11]

I indeed didn't notice this was using old Icefury numbers. Committed a fix, should be online soon.

[Guest what]

So is  Echoes of the Great Sundering best in slot when the legendary ability is disable?

[Guest never posted]

Why do you recommend the echoes of a great sundering legendary be crafted with crit/haste when vers/haste are shown in the stat weights as the top 2 best stats for ele? Is there a soft or hard cap for vers, or is that what was simming best? Thanks!

[Stormy 11]

Crit/Haste are the best stats for AoE and Echoes of Great Sundering is generally most desirable when AoE is relevant. The value of Vers varies a lot depending on the character and your current stat distribution. There is no hard cap for vers. If you want to craft it with vers it doesn't change much so feel free.