[Frost] Hershie question

[Hershie 0]

Hi - I posted on MMO-C but I read that you all moved the topic here!

 

I read Akraen's Comprehensive Guide to 5.4 Frost PvE (Advanced) and I have some questions. 

I setup my AMR weights like this: http://i.imgur.com/O3M6nWC.png

Can someone double check if this is correct? I am going for 14,240 haste then rest to mastery build.

My problem is this: Another mage in my 10 man group is equal ilvl but using worse trinkets than I am (Normal-Purified Bindings and Normal-BBoY -- where as I am using Heroic-Purified Bindings and Heroic-KTT) and his AMR "Total Score" is WAY higher than mine (when I run it with the weights that I linked above). My Total Score is 474715 and his is 478852.

Can someone give me some insight on why this is so? Should I still be doing more DPS than him (on paper)? I think it might be because of the BBoY having stats on the item so he has more room for reforging to other stats. I have a Normal-warforged BBoY but I think the guide says to use my KTT since it is Heroic and much higher ilvl than my BBoY. I feel like I am doing something terribly wrong with my AMR setup.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks for reading! =)

 

EDIT: Please read before responding! So I think I was trying to go for the "Haste build choice" and I think I would prefer to go with "Mixture" to be more viable in all situations. The total score it gives me is 477532 and I am using these stat weights: http://i.imgur.com/Wd0yfW9.png  - much higher than the previous score it was giving me. It is giving the other mage a score of 481829.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Hershie

[Oltier 471]

Unfortunately, I don't really have much time to check everything, but I am sure other readers will be able to.

 

However, if you want an insight help, you should post a warcraftlogs.com log as well, about a Malkorok fight. :)

[Hershie 0]

Thanks for moving my topic here! I won't post my warcraftlogs.com parse for H Malkorok just yet - we actually just killed it for the first time two weeks ago so it's still quite fresh. For now I just want to make sure my AMR is setup correctly. Thank you!

[durrtygoodz 60]

yo

 

First of all yes your AMR is set up right. I'm not sure why the other mage's score is higher, I'm actually not sure how that score is even calculated. But you're probably right that it's the BBoY, i think it leaves him with more secondary stats. You should defo stick with the KTT for now.

 

As for who should do more numbers, pretty hard to say as you are both so close on gear. Just comes down to skill. 1 thing I just notcied about that other mage though as I'm writing is that another reason why he has more secondaries is because he is gemming expertise. AMR is having you gem intellect instead of expertise atm because it can't get your hit lower and any hit at this point is a waste. This is basically down to the pure hit items you have.

 

Keep a look out for the following items:

 

Thok ring to replace Fallen P's ring

Spoils hc bracers (I guess you're working on that fight now) to replace the norushen ones

[Frostedmages 3]

His "score" is higher because he has a shitload more mastery than you do haste to 14242. Score is just a sum of all your stat weights.

 

So if you weight haste > 14242 at 3.4, then mastery at 3.1, and then haste again at 3.0, and then crit at 1, you're basically telling AMR that haste is just slightly more than mastery. it also means 1 haste is worth 3.4 score to 14242, 1 mastery is 3.1 after that, etc. So when he has such a massive amount more than you do of mastery in comparison to how much more haste than him you have, it makes his score look better.

 

Those numbers are just examples, but they are kind of the trend to how you weight things as Frost.

 

Score is NOT DPS. Never equate score to DPS. Never ever do that. Score should just be a way for YOU to compare YOUR gear when you have a set weight breakdown (which you understand), and for you to begin to customize gems/items on your own. AMR is not the best for this sometimes. Sometimes you need to enforce stat weight trends with non-precise stat weights and use the score to min/max the gear you have available to you. This is when score is important.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Frostedmages

[Kver 65]

His "score" is higher because he has a shitload more mastery than you do haste to 14242. Score is just a sum of all your stat weights.

 

So if you weight haste > 14242 at 3.4, then mastery at 3.1, and then haste again at 3.0, and then crit at 1, you're basically telling AMR that haste is just slightly more than mastery. it also means 1 haste is worth 3.4 score to 14242, 1 mastery is 3.1 after that, etc. So when he has such a massive amount more than you do of mastery in comparison to how much more haste than him you have, it makes his score look better.

 

Those numbers are just examples, but they are kind of the trend to how you weight things as Frost.

 

Score is NOT DPS. Never equate score to DPS. Never ever do that. Score should just be a way for YOU to compare YOUR gear when you have a set weight breakdown (which you understand), and for you to begin to customize gems/items on your own. AMR is not the best for this sometimes. Sometimes you need to enforce stat weight trends with non-precise stat weights and use the score to min/max the gear you have available to you. This is when score is important.

If you don't believe him, set intellect to 100, see what happens to your score.

 

AMR's "weights" are not stat weights, and they say nothing about DPS, neither does score. Score is the 'budget' sum you get based on your gear and the 'weights' you have added. Those weights are just scores used to define priority. You can use 0.01 crit or 2.0 crit, it won't change a thing in the default values, but it'll change your score a lot.

[Hershie 0]

Thanks guys for the help! I am just relieved I am doing the right thing. The other mage has been quite insistent on his trinket choices. He has been using a flex BBoY OVER a Heroic-KTT for a very long time as he recently got the normal-BBoY (it just never dropped lol). The Heroic-KTT dropped again last week and he said "you should pick it up for your non-existent arcane set". I did a bunch of reading thanks to the guides here and I am definitely going to try this out. 

 

Last I spoke with the other mage, he was going for 48% haste raid buffed then mastery > crit. Not sure if he is using any of the builds Akraen's guide mentioned. 

 

Also, thanks for the item recommendations I will try to pick up a normal-thok ring and H-spoils - I will definitely bonus roll that one! The one time we've seen the thok ring drop we had a random mistweaver who doesn't raid from our guild sub in and he took it. Many tears were shed. Just kidding, maybe.. =P 

[durrtygoodz 60]

He has been using a flex BBoY OVER a Heroic-KTT for a very long time 

 

 

Wow.

[Hershie 0]

Yes, wow indeed. Even before reading Akraen's guide, I read on icy-veins (which literally everyone reads) that it produces the same results at equal ilvl so I have been really questioning his choice. We were even 8/14H already before he got his normal-BBoY to use... eek.

[Hershie 0]

Hi! Not sure if anyone is still checking here but I have another quesiton. In my 10 man group, on the fights that we 3 heal, we have no spell haste. /cry. Would it be better if I put in my normal-warforged BBoY and switch out my tier chest+gloves to another set of tier chest+gloves filled with haste gems to meet 50% haste ....... OR just roll with whatever haste I have without the 5% haste buff? 

[Kver 65]

I'd say just roll with whatever you have, especially if it's only a few fights that you 3 heal. It's almost never worth it to break socket bonuses, unless they're the hit bonus in boots or if you have my weird gear.