wow Torghast is "Horribly Overtuned" Right Now According to the Community

[Chibye 1]

1 hour ago, Whiterhino said:

its fine for classes that get insane anima power combos and get lucky, but when i get like 8 commons in a row, and one epic that "increases pet damage through eyes of the beast" (because i want to use my pet for all my damage and not use any of my other anima powers LOL) it *filtered* sucks. Even as a hunter I barely made it through 7 because of my extreme unluckiness combined with *filtered* anima powers

Agreed, I did it with a guildie on Layer 6 last week and he was extremely unlucky on the anima powers and had all the "Defensive" powers as a Destro Warlock, while I had all the damage anima powers as a tank. I jokingly told him that he should tank and I'll just DPS.

[Bethink 1]

The design changes are just bad. I attempted layer 7 as an affliction warlock with 194ish gear last night. Floor 1 went well. The end boss on floor 2 then summoned adds which killed my void walker within a couple of seconds. Affliction simply does not have the burst that would be needed to even have a remote chance of killing those addsd quickly enough.

Walked back, being forced to use cooldowns to kill the random assassins. Wiped again. Left.

I am not convinced that +13 item levels would make a game-changing difference here.

It is not ideal. 

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bethink

[solitha 84]

18 hours ago, Badadada said:

Solo Torghast is masochism, but in group it's entertaining enough that I won't complain about it. I think it's the right nudge in the direction to tell people "hey, if you want to solo in an MMORPG you are doing it kinda wrong".

Torghast from the beginning was touted as content you could approach solo or grouped as you choose. I'd bet they used statistics from Horrific Visions to determine just how popular this flexible kind of content is.

Certainly, if they wanted to "nudge" us, all they have to do is not allow solo queue. Instead, they're providing a range of options to keep us playing, whether we want to be overtly social or maybe not for a while.

In any case, if it was just about encouraging group play, ask the group, in the other thread here, how encouraged they felt facing down a boss that hit for almost 3mil and with more health than all known Nathria bosses combined. This isn't just a solo problem.

[Ogerscherge 43]

18 hours ago, Badadada said:

Solo Torghast is masochism, but in group it's entertaining enough that I won't complain about it. I think it's the right nudge in the direction to tell people "hey, if you want to solo in an MMORPG you are doing it kinda wrong".

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[SkArcher 0]

Honestly I seem to be in a minority, but I think that ramping the difficulty in Torghast up was inevitable; Torghast will eventually have to remain challenging for players in Elite PvP Reward, Mythic Nathria or high-end Mythic+ Dungeon gear, and who have maxed Ve'nari Reputation and are receiving all the benefits of that.

 

Consider Layer 8 Torghast in light of player with that level of resources, and it makes perfect sense. It's supposed to be hard, it's conceptually based on Roguelikes.

[maffle 2]

Torghast is a total unbalanced joke, some classes have so fun and overpowered anima powers, 90% of them are pure insane DPS boost. As a hunter, I feel totally cheated and scammed, I just ran into nonsense powers all the time, like trap range, or movement speed increase, 99% of the time never get ANY dps boost at all.

As MMS hunter Torghast mostly is not doable >=6, pet is dying in 2 seconds, you have like ZERO self heal as a hunter, rez taks too long, have to wait for misdirect to be ready. And so on.

Also BM hunter does way to little DPS, especially on single and you cant do the bosses, them killing pets in seconds, all you do is heal pet, throw trap, throw flare, heal pet, rez pet, all on global CD. And then them elite doing insane dmg on you even pet has agro and you do like 100 leech heals agaisnt it. Just a pure joke.

This is not fun.

Edited December 17, 2020 by maffle

[ZanathKariashi 0]

3 hours ago, SkArcher said:

Honestly I seem to be in a minority, but I think that ramping the difficulty in Torghast up was inevitable; Torghast will eventually have to remain challenging for players in Elite PvP Reward, Mythic Nathria or high-end Mythic+ Dungeon gear, and who have maxed Ve'nari Reputation and are receiving all the benefits of that.

 

Consider Layer 8 Torghast in light of player with that level of resources, and it makes perfect sense. It's supposed to be hard, it's conceptually based on Roguelikes.

Those people already have their challenge mode, it just isn't available yet for another....~3-4 weeks.

The regular Torghast wings are NOT the challenge mode. The Twisting Corridors Wing is.

[Znifler 58]

He fails a run for the FIRST time and he complaints?? Torghast SHOULD be hard. My lord, people are so horrible at playing a game, tweaking, figuring things out, getting better... They rather complain the second they meet resistance. With better gear, you will beat each floor eventually, even if you suck at the game. If it is super nerferd now, you will stream through the tower like a cakefest in LFR.

It is nice to finally have a solo challange in WoW, which is fun in its repetative sense. Keep it hard, even make it harder if you ask me. Doesn't take much trying and failing before you figure out how to beat every floor. 

[Znifler 58]

2 hours ago, maffle said:

Torghast is a total unbalanced joke, some classes have so fun and overpowered anima powers, 90% of them are pure insane DPS boost. As a hunter, I feel totally cheated and scammed, I just ran into nonsense powers all the time, like trap range, or movement speed increase, 99% of the time never get ANY dps boost at all.

As MMS hunter Torghast mostly is not doable >=6, pet is dying in 2 seconds, you have like ZERO self heal as a hunter, rez taks too long, have to wait for misdirect to be ready. And so on.

Also BM hunter does way to little DPS, especially on single and you cant do the bosses, them killing pets in seconds, all you do is heal pet, throw trap, throw flare, heal pet, rez pet, all on global CD. And then them elite doing insane dmg on you even pet has agro and you do like 100 leech heals agaisnt it. Just a pure joke.

This is not fun.

Well, good hunter isn't "good" in every aspect of the game rn then. Was in a raid the other day, and witnessed a staggering 7 hunters being top DPS. Not only in aoe, but also singletarget. Gotta love it, when you team up with a hunter in 2s just to see it in action. He stealth opened on a dude, and BOOM, he was dead. Gotta love it man. Hard life. 

[Znifler 58]

22 hours ago, Badadada said:

Solo Torghast is masochism, but in group it's entertaining enough that I won't complain about it. I think it's the right nudge in the direction to tell people "hey, if you want to solo in an MMORPG you are doing it kinda wrong".

Solo Torghast is masochism? AHHAHAHAHAHAH. Bro, it's hillarously fun to play it alone. Heck I enjoy it so much, I save it so I have something to look forward to at the end of the week. And hard? Not really? Sure layer 6+ is a struggle, but if you stop fiddling with your *filtered*, and learn from mistakes, play the class properly, you will win. Just buy all the buffs you can in advance, and stop going in like a retard. 

A run should take some time if you are high layers, you should die every now and then. You SHOULD struggle. And yes, solo is the best mode. I love every solo aspect of the game, makes it so relaxing to know that I don't have to rely on others who can't play. 

[Slagnae 0]

I got to floor 13 today with the new release for the quest/twisting corridors.

i felt like a god for 12 straight floors, besides some trap deaths and a massive strike head smash on me. that was fine.

the start of floor 13 i had 45k health. i'm a bm hunter so taking damage shouldn't be an issue. the pet i use has a shield ability which is even better. So. i pull the empowered mini boss, it's a flamecaster. okay, i'll stop the casts with my three cc's. Interupt, intimidation and freeze trap. so i've got about 15 seconds left on the interupt. cool. The next 1 sec cast of fireball goes of on my pet. Half of it's health gone, boom the next cast. he's dead. i pop turtle to revive the pet. all fine. 

Now i have no turtle...my pet gets flogged like a piece of poo across a monkey enclosure. i try to revive again. my 4 second cast on revive pet allows the mini boss to hit me with 3 fireballs. i get nuclear bombed. i'm dead now. 

i try again with the same outcome. 

what the *filtered* blizz. if i hadn't taken the health increases in lieu of damage or utility. 2 casts would kill me. 

is this overtuned or not?