wow The Old School Returns for Real: Echo Goes Dark in the RWF

[Starym 3,800]

 

It seems I may have called it a couple a days ago when I speculated that the old ways of World First raiding might be making a comeback, with secret strategies and hidden boss pulls!

Earlier today Echo managed to get the World 2nd on Stone Legion Generals and moved on to the final boss of the raid, and the main and only goal of the RWF, Sire Denathrius. After about an hour progressing on the Sire they managed to reach the first intermission phase at 70% and:

While this looks like a fun little joke, as they pretend to see Kungen in the first intermission and similar, after this pull came the very unexpected decision to actually not stream the rest of the endboss progress, as explained by Gingi:

While this seems to only be temporary, with the US reset coming tomorrow and the extra amount of gear that brings would push Limit into an advantage as the EU wait for their reset, it still remains to be seen if Echo actually do turn their streams back on at some point (presumably Wednesday after their re-clear).

This goes back directly to what I talked about a couple days ago, as Complexity-Limit did a similar, although much more minor thing on Council of Blood, as they were testing out some strategies late-night after their stream ended and accidentally managed to kill the boss, but then also decided not to release the kill VoD until Echo had killed it!

This move by Echo is much more significant, as this is the endboss we're talking about, and they didn't just come up with a strategy, they are fully and completely shutting Limit and everyone else out of their progress on Denathrius (possibly only temporarily). This is exactly how things were before the advent of streaming RWF events, as guilds had no idea what others were doing (other than leaks and rumors). Echo have some of the best strategists around as well, as RogerBrown is notorious for coming up with most of old Method's plans, so not sharing those with Limit might be a huge advantage, especially since Limit are showing their progress and tactics. Echo also did this when they were actually in the lead on Denathrius, as they reached the first intermission first, since Limit were still sleeping (Limit has caught up since then).

If you just want to watch more Mythic Sire Denathrius it seems your only option for now is Complexity-Limit's stream (and all of their player streams as well):

The race is very much heating up and despite Limit getting to Denathrius first, Echo's move to not show their progress is huge and definitely gives them an edge in the race. If you want to know more about the previous day of raiding, with Limit having spent 200 million gold on the race already, the crazy details of the penultimate bosses 292 pulls, bugs, singing and more, check out our day 6 recap here.

[durdyenglish 298]

Not many advantages to showing your progress, other than the cool factor for brand promotion. At best, you may be able to glean some insight from the peanut gallery, but most of the comments on a stream are bots or nonsense so good luck even doing that.

[Starseed 113]

totally right i never understood why they streamt the race in the first place why on earth should i want my enemy to look at every strat i try and maybe copie them or even worse they manage to find a good one by looking at us and figur somthing out its a race you want every advantage you can get

[Aernath 173]

Ah, the good old Kungen of Nihilum, the first Scarab Lord! 😜

 

[Nayrusa 50]

3 hours ago, N3ilo said:

totally right i never understood why they streamt the race in the first place why on earth should i want my enemy to look at every strat i try and maybe copie them or even worse they manage to find a good one by looking at us and figur somthing out its a race you want every advantage you can get

Well there not enemys o0
they dont hate each other and wanna kill the other 0o

they are competitors

and yes i can understand that they didn't wanna show their strat and the changes for the phases on mythic or more specific the secret phase

NA realms have the time advantage but as jaina showed us that can also be a disadvantage

i would love to see the raid releases on the same day but that would me to sync the reset days

they manage to release the expacs at the same time why not the rest? it doesn't have to be everything at one but starting to sync some more would be nice

[Starseed 113]

11 hours ago, Nayrusa said:

Well there not enemys o0
they dont hate each other and wanna kill the other 0o

they are competitors

and yes i can understand that they didn't wanna show their strat and the changes for the phases on mythic or more specific the secret phase

NA realms have the time advantage but as jaina showed us that can also be a disadvantage

i would love to see the raid releases on the same day but that would me to sync the reset days

they manage to release the expacs at the same time why not the rest? it doesn't have to be everything at one but starting to sync some more would be nice

ahhh competitors thats the word my mind could not figur out thats why i used enemys (sry im not that great at english)

 

and yeah and dont get why they dont have the reset on the same day even if jaina showed us that the advantage dont need to be a good thing i think calling the whole thing a race is stupid when some of the runner start befor the others