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Sylvanas Lack of Peripheral Vision Vs. Players' Infinite Stealth

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This week's Torghast cutscene has proven very popular with the playerbase, as we have many screenshots come out of it.

Apparently Sylvanas' eyesight has deteriorated quite badly since her days as Ranger General, as she's continually failing to spot the players "hiding" nearby. Either that or, as many have noted,  players' stealth skill is at least 100. We start off with some basic ones, as giant Tauren with huge totems on their back don't seem to register with the Dark Lady:

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Then, as you'd expect, we get into the sillyness:

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But the fun doesn't end there, as the meeting was observed by some celebrities as well:

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So, if the Jailer's master plan involves spotting anything in the vicinity, we're pretty safe and can pack up our things and calmly go back home.

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I don't know...I get the feeling that all her craziness and lack of empathy led her to be looked upon favorably thus allowing her to get close to the Jailer....and due to the conversation she had in the cut scene, I believe that theres more going on in her head than we realize.....betting shes not as bad as we think.

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30 minutes ago, Wombshifter said:

I don't know...I get the feeling that all her craziness and lack of empathy led her to be looked upon favorably thus allowing her to get close to the Jailer....and due to the conversation she had in the cut scene, I believe that theres more going on in her head than we realize.....betting shes not as bad as we think.

Yeah, I bet that genocide will look pretty reasonable, once we learn what higher purpose it served. The children, that were burnt alive, only to wake up in hell, probably had it coming after all.

I mean, you can't be that bad, if you kill innocent people, right? At least that seems to be the lesson that modern media is so hell-bent on teaching us lately. And I, just like you, am soaking every bit of that tale up like a dry sponge, only to not have to deal with the possibiltiy, that maybe I am just not a good human being.

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3 hours ago, Wombshifter said:

I don't know...I get the feeling that all her craziness and lack of empathy led her to be looked upon favorably thus allowing her to get close to the Jailer....and due to the conversation she had in the cut scene, I believe that theres more going on in her head than we realize.....betting shes not as bad as we think.

If Blizzard pulls the good and old "But I was doing it for everyone's sake." clichè it'll ruin the expansion completely. The sad part is that I think this is exactly what I think they'll do. Try to pull a Illidan 2.0.

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I don't know if anyone else took a closer look or not but, from the picture at least, it looks like the side of her hood is blocking her peripheral vision so it's reasonable that her hood is created visual blind zones and the fact that they are deep within The Jailer's base, she could possibly not be on as high alert to her surroundings.

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1 hour ago, Valhalen said:

If Blizzard pulls the good and old "But I was doing it for everyone's sake." clichè it'll ruin the expansion completely. The sad part is that I think this is exactly what I think they'll do. Try to pull a Illidan 2.0.

She is even worse than Illidan at this point, hopefully there isn't going to be any sort of redemption story line.

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Yeah, I bet that genocide will look pretty reasonable, once we learn what higher purpose it served. The children, that were burnt alive, only to wake up in hell, probably had it coming after all.

 

well, they were Alliance...sooo theres that

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1 hour ago, Kravenstorm said:

I don't know if anyone else took a closer look or not but, from the picture at least, it looks like the side of her hood is blocking her peripheral vision so it's reasonable that her hood is created visual blind zones and the fact that they are deep within The Jailer's base, she could possibly not be on as high alert to her surroundings.

But they know everyone and their mother is rampaging through Torghast. I mean we're constantly in the Runecarver's room and he's crafting shit for us etc etc. Also the hood thing... if you use that as an argument then most characters in WoW are blind/trip over their capes constantly etc, i think using that level of real.world logic is a bt excessive 😄
Also it was just a jokey post!

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5 hours ago, Wombshifter said:

Yeah, I bet that genocide will look pretty reasonable, once we learn what higher purpose it served. The children, that were burnt alive, only to wake up in hell, probably had it coming after all.

 

well, they were Alliance...sooo theres that

They were innocent women and children, not combatants. If you think that it's okay to kill them, most brutally no less, just because they were born into the Alliance... I mean, I don't know what to tell you, that is so obviously genocide that I don't really need to make that point. 😐

And even if you thought that was okay, then there's still the whole Alliance side of the playerbase who would disagree with your "I bet Sylvanas is actually the good guy" sentiment by default.

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7 hours ago, Wombshifter said:

Yeah, I bet that genocide will look pretty reasonable, once we learn what higher purpose it served. The children, that were burnt alive, only to wake up in hell, probably had it coming after all.

 

well, they were Alliance...sooo theres that

Even if we somehow turn completely blind on genocide of enemy civilians, what about the horde she murdered with the plague? You good with that too?

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2 hours ago, Wombshifter said:

Oh...and Arthas was sooo much better?

Ah yes, Stratholme = A *filtered* WORLD TREE

Arthas was definitely a villain, don't get me wrong, but seriously? 

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23 hours ago, Wombshifter said:

Oh...and Arthas was sooo much better?

Arthas' purging of Stratholme was indeed a heartless act, yet it made sense from his point of view. The people were doomed and beyond salvation; in his eyes, putting them out of their misery was a merciful act and also for a greater good to prevent the plague from spreading any further.

Sylvanas, on the other hand, just ordered Teldrasil to be burned because this one dying Night Elf had shown pity on the her. It was just to ruthless and meant to leave a wound on the war, breaking the spirits of the Night Elves by destroying something important for them, as well murdering many.

So yeah, Arthas at least had a "good" reason for it.

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On 1/2/2021 at 4:40 PM, Wombshifter said:

Oh...and Arthas was sooo much better?

Where is this coming from all of a sudden? No, I don't think Arthas was better, or rather I simply don't ask myself that question. He was a torturer and a mass murderer, just like Sylvanas. By calling one worse, you call the other better, which isn't something I really want to do in the context of genocide. If you really want to crack the numbers though, I am also not so sure Sylvanas would look favourably, considering all the souls in all the universes that she condemned to the maw, which is a fate arguably even worse than death.

But even if Sylvanas was better, so what? By your logic killing a person is okay, as it's not as bad as killing two people. That's perverse.

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On 1/1/2021 at 4:52 PM, Valhalen said:

If Blizzard pulls the good and old "But I was doing it for everyone's sake." clichè it'll ruin the expansion completely. The sad part is that I think this is exactly what I think they'll do. Try to pull a Illidan 2.0.

you mean grommash? - no, earlier, kerrigan? - no earlier, Grommash (our timeline)? - no earlier, medivh?

 

blizz is so scared to make characters bad (except the good ones like pre-pandaria Garrosh) no one is evil except one dimensional villains. depth=redemption in almost all their characters.

 

on the arthas=sylvnas theme: idk what caused her to burn the constant nuisance right off my coast (ofc i'm horde :P) I'd do it again still. It´s part of the war and except for a short time of chivalry loss of civil life was and is today still part of any conflict. i can't really fathom the hysterical screaming about a little tree. it was necessary as it was foreshadowed in the book Stormrage that there was corruption (Nightmare/Void) so deeply rooted in the tree they could barely contain it.

However, Arthas was betrayed by his comrades who failed to see the magnitude and urgency of what lingered i stratholme. All/most of the people were already afflicted and began to turn. what was he supposed to do? leave and let them spread around his kingdom? shut them in and let them rot like a cruel leper colony? the moment his mentor and closest friend left him with his turmoil and sorrow they gave him to the scurge on a silver platter. (just like Dreadlord Jaina planned?) i´m not even sure we won't get some kind of redemption rof him after Uther gets him out of the maw.

 

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On 1/1/2021 at 4:52 PM, Valhalen said:

If Blizzard pulls the good and old "But I was doing it for everyone's sake." clichè it'll ruin the expansion completely. The sad part is that I think this is exactly what I think they'll do. Try to pull a Illidan 2.0.

You rather have villains do evil things for no reason but to be evil?

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4 hours ago, Shinpai said:

you mean grommash? - no, earlier, kerrigan? - no earlier, Grommash (our timeline)? - no earlier, medivh?

 

blizz is so scared to make characters bad (except the good ones like pre-pandaria Garrosh) no one is evil except one dimensional villains. depth=redemption in almost all their characters.

 

on the arthas=sylvnas theme: idk what caused her to burn the constant nuisance right off my coast (ofc i'm horde :P) I'd do it again still. It´s part of the war and except for a short time of chivalry loss of civil life was and is today still part of any conflict. i can't really fathom the hysterical screaming about a little tree. it was necessary as it was foreshadowed in the book Stormrage that there was corruption (Nightmare/Void) so deeply rooted in the tree they could barely contain it.

However, Arthas was betrayed by his comrades who failed to see the magnitude and urgency of what lingered i stratholme. All/most of the people were already afflicted and began to turn. what was he supposed to do? leave and let them spread around his kingdom? shut them in and let them rot like a cruel leper colony? the moment his mentor and closest friend left him with his turmoil and sorrow they gave him to the scurge on a silver platter. (just like Dreadlord Jaina planned?) i´m not even sure we won't get some kind of redemption rof him after Uther gets him out of the maw.

 

Medivh wasn't really evil. Dude got possessed by Sargeras himself, lol.

As for the comparisons between Arthas and Sylvanas. Arthas went through his path in order to save his people. Yes, he was wrong, and yes, it wasn't the right way to do things, but he was powerhungry and that led to his corruption. The purge of Stratholme made sense from his perspective because he wanted to put out of their misery since there was no salvation for the plague, and killing them would also prevent it from spreading to other towns. And Arthas never got his redemption, even on his final moments he only saw darkness. It is bittersweet, but it was the peak of Blizzard's storytelling.

Sylvanas, on the other hand, has been following her own agenda, caring little for those around her, and just burned Teldrasil out of spite because this one Night Elf had shown pity on her. Then she killed Saurfang while pretty much taking a *filtered* on the entire Horde. Yes, it is totally understandable that Sylvanas is a product of Arthas' corruption, and that both got used by the Burning Legion (or rather now, by the Jailer). But if they pull a redemption on Sylvanas now it'll feel out of place and extremelly forced.

2 hours ago, Znifler said:

You rather have villains do evil things for no reason but to be evil?

No, I'm perfectly fine with villains having layers of complexity. But if they pull a redemption arc on Sylvanas it'll be out of place, because for a redemption arc to work you need to add the breadcrumbs and lead the villain into the realization of their acts, as well add contradiction on their thoughts VS actions. You know a good example of redemption arc? Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

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