wow Echo Talk About the Reasons Behind Their 2nd Place Finish in the Castle Nathria RWF and More

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Catching up with Echo over on Raider.IO, I talked to the both very new and very old guild about their Castle Nathria RWF experiences. In case you aren't aware, Echo are basically the old roster of Method reformed under a new banner, with the current Method guild is almost completely reformed with new members. Many of Echo's players talked about the way the race went down: from the decision to not stream a day and a half of their Denathrius progress, the global release, a big lesson they learned in the final day of progress, the Denathrius fight itself, the major reasons they finished in 2nd place (including a surprising one) and more!

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Q: You decided not to stream your Sire Denathrius progress until your reset, which was about a day and 4-5 hours worth of streaming. Can you talk about what led to the decision, whether you think it was the right call and if you think this might become a more common strategy going forward?

Xerwo: I think it was the right call! I understand that it sucks for the viewers and fans but we felt like we had to do it to actually have a shot at achieving the World First. Giving Limit the insight into timers & strategies while they can reclear and attempt the boss with more item level would have helped them progress faster and made it even harder for us to get the World First.

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Q: You took almost twice the amount of time to re-clear Mythic Nathria than Complexity-Limit did, then headed to Heroic splits. However, Limit then had a few low % pulls, at which point you went back to progress on Denathrius. Could you take us through this specific time in the race, as it seems to have been crucial?

RogerBrown: It was a time of panic for sure. It always feels horrible when you are reclearing the raid, while your competitors are pulling the last boss. We had hoped that they would be stuck at p3 for long enough, that it would allow us to finish our reclear and some key Heroic splits for players missing big upgrades. When we saw them reaching sub 10% tries though, we decided to stop our Heroic splits - because it would feel even worse to be gearing up in Heroic, while Limit is literally killing the boss. So we went for the ‘hail mary’ instead, even though we were pretty certain that at that point the boss was easily killable and Limit would have to play bad for us to kill it before them (which didn’t happen).

We also learnt an important lesson from this though, as next time if the race comes down to the point that the last Boss dies 1-2 days after the reset, we will focus on our plan and not rush to get the ‘first kill’, but instead go for whatever we think will bring us the fastest kill. If that means we kill the boss 3, 4, 10 or even 15 hours after Limit, then we will have an argument against global release/boss tuning. But the way we approached it this time around stressed us out immensely, caused us to be fully demoralized after Limit killed it and also lost us valuable time, which meant that we killed the boss ~16.5 hours after Limit. The only positive from this situation is that it provided the community a nail biter finish to this race!

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Q: What do you think were the biggest factors that affected your 2nd place finish? Was it a particular boss you spent a lot of time on, the re-clear, or something else entirely/several factors?

RogerBrown: I definitely think we were not prepared enough on Artificer. That boss took us significantly more time on both the first kill and the reclear. Apart from that I don’t think our reclear was particularly slow, although of course we can always do faster. The comparison to Limit’s reclear definitely seems big, but they also had a 1 shot Stone Legion Generals reclear, which even to this day doesn’t seem to be that easy to pull off for any guild 1 month into farm. The biggest time loss overall was our Heroic splits efficiency during Mythic week. We could have saved up a lot of hours if we had planned them better and also executed them faster (had quite a few wipes, especially on Heroic Sire). If we had more time in the first week, we could have caught up to Limit faster - and thus progressed Sire deeper into p3. That would mean that we could fully finalize our strategy, cooldown assignments etc. (which is something we did on Wednesday night, after Limit had already killed the boss), and then go for an instant kill of the boss right after our reclear was done. I don’t see any other way we could have won this tier.

Xerwo: I think the biggest factor was that we didn’t prepare enough for the earlier bosses due to time constraints during Heroic week which lead into a slower reclear aswell.

There's a whole lot more info in the interview, so definitely head on over to Raider.IO and check it out!