wow Game Director Ion Hazzikostas on Legacy Raid Scaling

[Staff 1,488]

 

A Chinese site asked Ion about Legacy raid scaling, and here's what he had to say.

You can find the whole interview in Chinese here. Swervyq translated the relevant bit about Legacy raid scaling, and Ion said that by the end of Shadowlands, we should be able to kill Legion raid bosses fairly easily, since the principle is to allow for easy soloing of content from two expansions ago.

(Source)

Q: The routes of certain old raids are very complicated, have you considered adding more teleports? Also people are having difficulty soloing old content, for example even if you have the best gear right now Eonar in Antorus is still very difficult, have you considered make them easier to farm?

A: Generally in the end of the dungeons there will be NPCs or other ways for you to teleport out of the instance, but if players still find it difficult, we will consider adding more. In terms of the difficulty in farming, our principle is: at the end of an expansion, you will be able to solo the content two expansions ago fairly easily. So by the end of Shadowlands, you should be able to kill the legion raid bosses fairly easily-- might not be able to one shot them, but you will be able to. When that time comes the majority of players will be able to go back farming legion content, and even BFA, perhaps with a small group of people.

Source: Reddit

[Manbearpig 28]

11 minutes ago, Staff said:

perhaps with a small group of people.

Who doesn't want to make a group to farm old content?

Trollololololol Ion.

[Ragingwolf 310]

I think the person that asked the question  was wanting to know if there was an easier way to get to the Antorus Raid since flying is prohibited in that zone.

[KDF 26]

17 minutes ago, Manbearpig said:

Who doesn't want to make a group to farm old content?

Trollololololol Ion.

Towards the end of BFA I had a lot of fun going back in a small group to do the legion raids in mythic. It's not just farmers interested in old raids. There's fun to be had in running them as slightly-challenging content without needing to pull a whole raid together.  The immediately prior expac seems a reasonable place to require that. 

Edited February 22, 2021 by KDF

[Ixa 48]

I wonder if they're referring to just Mythic in regards to this? I was soloing Nighthold and Tomb (at least on normal/heroic mode), and a small group of people made Mythic easy peasy at the end of BfA. Now we gotta wait til the end of Shadowlands to do these? 🙄

[Manbearpig 28]

21 minutes ago, KDF said:

Towards the end of BFA I had a lot of fun going back in a small group to do the legion raids in mythic. It's not just farmers interested in old raids. There's fun to be had in running them as slightly-challenging content without needing to pull a whole raid together.  The immediately prior expac seems a reasonable place to require that. 

Well until now, at the end of an expansion, you could pretty much solo the first raids of said expansion. It's ok for some mythic endbosses to require a second player because of mechanics, but a whole group? It is called legacy content for a reason afterall.

[Arcling 898]

So they refuse to fix scaling. Just great... Before you could solo content from 2 expansions ago on release, for example WoD was soloable since BfA came out. Now Legion is 2 expansions old, yet still a lot of it requires a group.

[Grumar 188]

Talk about a total disconnect from the community. For no reason either, why Ion, why is it 2 expansions? why not last expansion? I think it's reasonable expect to solo at least heroic BfA by end of SL.  What would allowing this cause that is so bad the devs won't do it?

Edited February 22, 2021 by Grumar

[Hypersonic 119]

F.ck you Ion. Seriously f.ck you. Why is so hard to do something with this fcked up scaling???!!?!??!

[Rudy199 8]

What about Mythic Uldir? Can you clear it with 3 people 200+ ilvl?

Edited February 22, 2021 by Rudy199

[darkgreenwax 412]

There's really no reason why they can't have an appropriately looking teleport NPC portal in when the final raid boss dies, granting you a teleport to the raid entrance.

[Calorat 78]

At the start of an xpac you should be able to solo everything from anything older than the previous xpac and not solo with some difficulty but its a complete cakewalk solo

[FireLordJohn 91]

It used to be once you were max level at the end of an expansion, you could solo the previous one. It sounds like (and I hate to assume) they're being lazy. Legion was 2 expansions back. We should have the ability to solo all of that content at this time.

Also, the image at the top of the article is perfection.

Edited February 22, 2021 by FireLordJohn

[Ragingwolf 310]

Well the thing is when Blizzard was toying around with the level squish and mentioned it once to the Community it had a series of mixed emotions from the playerbase.  One of the issues mainly was how the level squish would effect Legacy Raid from previous expansions.  Blizzard and Ion stated that this would not be an issue and would work over the bugs if that should happen after the level squish.  Now I find it rather odd that we are about midway through Season 1 and Blizzard has decided not to focus on this type of content and blantantly suggest that players wait till after SL.

After listening to the, "what is to come for SL", and most of the Q&A I felt as if they are going back to bad habits and not truely listening to the playerbase again.  TBC: Classic got way too much focus imo for push to player hype during Blizzcon.  Like I'm happy that they are doing that for the Playerbase that eagerly wants to stay in that expansion however SL needs to be thoroughly examined in several departments and Blizzard needs to confirm that the issue has been acknowledge or compromise on possible changes.

Eg) More class tuning for a handful of specializations for different types of content.  The bugginess of some levels for Torghast and TC. World Quest glitches where players recieve no credit for either being in a group or non-group.   Mob behavior of being aggroed toward passive pets from select classes like a Warlocks Imps from the Talent tree.  And so on.  On average I'll find 2-3 odd bugs and or glitches that still have not been fixed or addressed.

[Nicolorak 0]

I am with the majority of players, right now heroic/mythic Legion raids should be soloable, FFS it's been long enough, just let us farm the way we want/need to. Secondly, on the teleports..I was thinking the person who asked Ion about this was more likely thinking of short cuts through legacy raids, something like the quest in Blackrock Foundry that lets you go straight to Blackhand. I think Hellfire Citadel had a similar thing for getting to Archimonde. We could really use that for Siege of Orgrimmar, Nighthold, and Antorus. And probably some of the BFA raids at some point.

[ValkyrieFreya 30]

10 hours ago, Nicolorak said:

We could really use that for Siege of Orgrimmar, Nighthold, and Antorus. And probably some of the BFA raids at some point.

We actually have something similair for the Nighthold and Antorus. I just completed the skip quest (kill Elissande 4 times) and can now directly go to her at the start of the raid. As castle Nathria also has the skip quest, i'm pretty sure BFA has them too. You might not be able to easily spot them if you have low lvl quests hidden (so no mark above the npc).

Edited February 23, 2021 by ValkyrieFreya

[Nicolorak 0]

2 hours ago, ValkyrieFreya said:

We actually have something similair for the Nighthold and Antorus. I just completed the skip quest (kill Elissande 4 times) and can now directly go to her at the start of the raid. As castle Nathria also has the skip quest, i'm pretty sure BFA has them too. You might not be able to easily spot them if you have low lvl quests hidden (so no mark above the npc).

Oh crap lol I totally forgot about the quests in Nighthold. As for Antorus..I just haven't been in there beyond LFR much at all. Guess it's just SoO that could use a skip. If they added one, I'd go back and try to get the tusks. Haven't been back since the juggernaut dropped. 😛

Edited February 23, 2021 by Nicolorak

[Hagersen 34]

With them beeing behind of schedule on the next patch i wonder if this statement just came because they have so much too do with the recent expansion. Im not amused about this article aswell but i think corona struck them hard. 

Edited February 23, 2021 by Hagersen

[Raffinaddi 18]

Uh, didn't they tell us everything would works as before after the squish? It takes much more to solo stuff now than it did pre pre-patch. In fact, by now early BfA stuff should be soloable by people with good-but-not-mythic gear. That's not the case though.