wow The Ultimate Mythic+ Rage Griefing: Player Purposefully Abandons Groups After Key Starts for Getting Replaced in a Previous Run

[Starym 3,800]

 

This one... this one is really special, in more ways than one. A player has taken being replaced in a Mythic+ run SO badly that they are now griefing other groups just to get some sort of satisfaction, and have left many groups stranded.

An unnamed Venthyr Warrior from Draenor EU has been exhibiting some solidly insane behavior, as they've been joining groups only to leave immediately when a M+ run starts, all as a consequence of them being replaced in a +15 Sanguine Depths run. Confused? You should be:

Reported by: HomieeJo.

The above is the first sighting of this fairly crazy move, and while I saw it a few days ago, it seemed like just a weird act of pure frustration from a player (or just a prank/fake post). However, many, many more players have since reported coming across this Warrior and them doing the same thing, with the latest being less than a day ago:

Reported by: notahumanrobot.

Reported by: Insidieuxx.

So what exactly is happening here? Well, aside from the weird first "temporarily suspended" line which I haven't quite figured out, the rest is pretty disturbing. The Warrior was apparently kicked from a +15 Sanguine Depths and has now been messing up many Mythic+ runs for 3 days. If there actually is a method to the madness, and it's not just someone gleefully messing up player's runs with a weird message for no reason whatsoever, the Warrior adds a number of runs they will leave (3-5) if they get kicked BEFORE leaving themselves, aka right after the key starts. Presumably if they succeed in their goal and leave/mess up the run, they will remove 1 from the row of groups they will be griefing. And then if they manage to extract their random pound of flesh and the "row" reaches 0,  they'll just start a new one if they get replaced again (which they seemingly did, as the above images are chronological for the past 3 days).

This is just the ultimate in toxic and extremely childish behavior, and it's as likely as not that there isn't really a "row" or possibly even the initial SD replacement, and it's just someone being a really terrible human being. Whichever the case may be, this is some of the worst we've seen come out of Mythic+. The M+ PUG scene has been the source of a lot of toxicity, and it's seemingly been ramping up quite a bit lately as well. The Valor Point system and its need for Keystone Master, as well as the +15 or higher for base itemlevel drops to optimize Valor spending has definitely added to the pressure and player frustration, but this one really isn't on Blizzard, as people like this don't need much to be triggered.

Hopefully we'll see fewer and fewer reports like this, and it's great that it's getting reported with many players having run across this particular unwell individual, so others can be on the lookout. Also apologies to my Warrior brethren from Draenor, but I felt I needed to call out this person as much as possible. Maybe toss a "hi, I'm not an insane toxic rageaholic" when you apply for a group!

If you want to dive in further in this crazy story, here are the three major reddit threads where the topic is being discussed (ordered chronologically):

• When you thought players in M+ can't be more toxic
• Warrior put this in chat and left during the countdown timer for starting a +15 Sanguine Depths
• M+ pug community never fails to deliver.

[Starym 3,800]

Just to note, I'm aware it's entirely possible that this was all just a ploy to get mentioned/15 mins of fame type thing, but this type of behavior, even if it is "fake" can't really be ignored in my opinion so I decided to post it.

[Leturoa 1]

I used to know someone who did something similar in BfA, as a healer. So I unfortunately find this all too believable 

[Shinpai 3]

imho, M+ as any source of gear is horribly flawed and should die in a ditch in the first place.... it's a cesspool of ego-driven toxicity and entitlement. picking up randoms is always a dangerous coin toss regardless of ILvl, R.IO (which should die right along with it) or any achievements. it's a self perpetuating cycle of harassment and stress as it is the epitome of the "never gonna see those people again" culture that started way back in WotLK.

 

to elaborate:

Raider.io: even 1600+ r.io does not guarantee any  meaningfull contribution like interupts/movement/dps

Morale: any deviation from the latest MDI routes may cause a frenzy of harasment or ragequiting (which should be tracked at least by R.IO if not even Blizz in the first place) even in lower keys.

Gearing: 2 Items off 3+ boss dungeons is still too low. I'd say at least in tyrannical it should be "one boss, one Item", on fortified more Valor or something. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Shinpai
typos, added elaboration

[ResoWho 68]

30 minutes ago, Shinpai said:

imho, M+ as any source of gear is horribly flawed and should die in a ditch in the first place.... it's a cesspool of ego-driven toxicity and entitlement. picking up randoms is always a dangerous cointoss regardless of ILvl, R.IO (which should die right along with it) or any achievements. it's a self perpetuating cycle of harassment and stress as it is the epitome of the "never gonna see those people again" culture that started way back in WotLK.

well besides that a key gets depleted its even worse in pvp and also happens in raids (all bosses 1st try, 1 wipe grp disbanded) so i guess instead of changing something just close any content and just do quests alone? or would you still allow premade grps to do some content?

btt: the behavior of that warrior is horrible, it should be ledgit to report him and get him suspended. i guess its a reddit post so we wont get any names. luckily ive just had people in grp who left when the key wasnt timed (mostly the leavers fault) but none who left at start. so far i had more good experience with randoms then bad ones thought but i heard that its harder with randoms in lower keys somehow

Edited March 23, 2021 by ResoWho

[Shinpai 3]

13 minutes ago, ResoWho said:

well besides that a key gets depleted its even worse in pvp and also happens in raids (all bosses 1st try, 1 wipe grp disbanded) so i guess instead of changing something just close any content and just do quests alone? or would you still allow premade grps to do some content?

nope, did not say that. not even close. waaaaay off there buddy. right the first sentence: "as any source of gear"

EITHER [Remove gear] make it challenge mode MOP style with tiers of rewards like twisting corridors (maybe not as impactfull for the maw)

OR [Give more Gear] take the edge off. ppl need to srsly mellow down.

 

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Shinpai

[Mishmish 65]

I think its time for blizz to consider, perhaps for next expansion, if m+ failures shouls not demote key levels. The reason im saying this is that a lot of the toxicity comes from the steep time cost of failing to time a key (because then you need to upgrade your lower key), but if keys dont degrade from time failure, you still dont get free loot but a lot of the pressure is off. Something to consider. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Mishmish

[Teufel 331]

12+ game, eh?..

[CTEKK 12]

Giving it a post is weird as I can relate more to the warrior than to the guys kicking me as soon as a higher Rio player from a better meta class joins the search tool. I am running occasionally 18s with 1650 Rio. 

 

Pugging is toxic and at least this guy has a relatable reason to be an *filtered*. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by CTEKK

[ResoWho 68]

24 minutes ago, Shinpai said:

nope, did not say that. not even close. waaaaay off there buddy.

EITHER [Remove gear] make it challenge mode MOP style with tiers of rewards like twisting corridors (maybe not as impactfull for the maw)

OR [Give more Gear] take the edge off. ppl need to srsly mellow down.

 

 

you said m+ as a source for gear should die because of its current state. how should i get my gear to run a challenge mode m+ if i dont get gear from m+? also many people will probably stop playing m+ if you dont get gear and just some transmog or pet rewards. in bfa people complained, that you get too much loot from m+ so at the beginning of SL you got less loot which they allrdy changed and now you get same amount of loot just 1 piece with a lower ilvl. how many loot would you suggest at an end of dungeon in time and not in time run if the current loot amount isnt enough for you and what would more loot change? i cant see people acting in another way just cause they get more loot.

atm you get way easier gear from pvp while pvp with randoms was my worst experience in wow yet. you got a rating, you have to trust randoms who claim that they have xyz exp but currently they are at the same rating as you. many of those people got boosted and cant really do things alone. they join your grp and stay as long as you win (you often carry those), 1 lose and they leave (probably with an insult) not playing super high but 1,8k also isnt the lowest rating.

raids are a bit more chilled since a big grp can compensate someone who does worse better (hello there mister fresh lvl 60 grp leader) but on hc (which is higher ilvl loot then end of dungeon loot for a +15) you can do several bosses before the grp disbanded after 1 or 2 wipes and basically get free 213-220ilvl loot.

like it is now you most likely wanna find some nice and good randoms and add them to your premade grp to play with them and m+ as a source of gear is after mythic raid the hardest content to get gear in my opinion. (well its a bit easier now with valor points thought but at least for me i really can use those in s2 since its too late and im not really missing much below ilvl 220)

Edited March 23, 2021 by ResoWho

[CTEKK 12]

5 minutes ago, Mishmish said:

I think its time for blizz to consider, perhaps for next expansion, if m+ failures shouls not demote key levels. The reason im saying this is that a lot of the toxicity comes from the steep time cost of failing to time a key (because then you need to upgrade your lower key), but if keys dont degrade from time failure, you still dont get free loot but a lot of the pressure is off. Something to consider. 

This is a good point, people would also try more with non meta setups. 

[ResoWho 68]

21 minutes ago, CTEKK said:

Giving it a post is weird as I can relate more to the warrior than to the guys kicking me as soon as a higher Rio player from a better meta class joins the search tool.

 

Pugging is toxic and at least this guy has a relatable reason to be an *filtered*. 

how is that relatable? i could (partly) understand if the warrior would stalk the people from the grp that kicked him and join their keys with alts to deplete them but the warrior was just replaced and didnt even got his own key depleted, he just lost like 5 - 15 minutes waiting to get a full grp meanwhile hes looking out for victims who didnt do anything wrong to him (or anyone) and depletes their keys, that makes the warrior even worse then the grp who kicked him. 

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by ResoWho

[Yridaa 490]

5 hours ago, Starym said:

Well, aside from the weird first "temporarily suspended" line which I haven't quite figured out, the rest is pretty disturbing.

@StarymIt's quite clear to me. This person copy pastes his messages "I was replaced on +15 blablabla" to people. He must have accidentally kept a previous copied text message "temporarily suspended" from a previous... trolling subject (?) to another victim, likely not even WoW related seeing as the subject is so different.

 

Deplorable.

[Oxygen 446]

Self-entitlement is a powerful force.

 

Sorry, farce.

[Ragingwolf 310]

All I can do is shake my head at this Warrior and sigh.  Like really dude you have to stoop so low and a be a *filtered* and ruin other people's keys because you got dropped from a group for a SD key?  Grow the hell up like seriously a lot of dps get dropped during group formation for another player that has a higher IO score, ilvl, or a specific Covenant for a select Dungeon.

Hell I got turned down for every 12-15 key application for HoA because I queued as dps and wasn't Venthyr and was instead Kyrian.  And all I was doing was trying to complete 10 keystones for the G.Vault and wanted to attempt a key that was higher than +12 for HoA.  I don't stoop to childish antics but instead shrug it off and apply for other keys.  That's the life of pugging you are not always going to be accepted into groups.

[sckhar 14]

Why hide the name though? This person doesn't deserve anonymity for what he's doing and people deserve to know who to avoid.

By saying it's just a warrior from eu-draenor all you're going to accomplish is getting a lot of warriors from that realm unfairly denied to groups as people will think they might be him

Edited March 23, 2021 by sckhar

[CTEKK 12]

3 hours ago, ResoWho said:

how is that relatable? i could (partly) understand if the warrior would stalk the people from the grp that kicked him and join their keys with alts to deplete them but the warrior was just replaced and didnt even got his own key depleted, he just lost like 5 - 15 minutes waiting to get a full grp meanwhile hes looking out for victims who didnt do anything wrong to him (or anyone) and depletes their keys, that makes the warrior even worse then the grp who kicked him. 

 

Because frustration as a feeling is relatable to me. Letting people wait 15 minutes to kick them because a meta class joins the search tool or what not "reason-not-stated" is not. Even though this is the current norm because who cares about player from another server. 

 

At least the warrior got some eyes on the topic. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by CTEKK

[alrazule 0]

1 hour ago, sckhar said:

Why hide the name though? This person doesn't deserve anonymity for what he's doing and people deserve to know who to avoid.

By saying it's just a warrior from eu-draenor all you're going to accomplish is getting a lot of warriors from that realm unfairly denied to groups as people will think they might be him

100% agree. With this I'd rather not risk any warriors from Draenor. Blizz should suspend his account or make his name non-changeable as well.

 

Found name: Jolex

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/jolex-griefer/263070

Edited March 23, 2021 by alrazule
Clarification of information

[ResoWho 68]

19 minutes ago, CTEKK said:

Because frustration as a feeling is relatable to me. Letting people wait 15 minutes to kick them because a meta class joins the search tool or what not "reason-not-stated" is not. Even though this is the current norm because who cares about player from another server. 

 

At least the warrior got some eyes on the topic. 

well we actually dont know anything about the grp which kicked him. who knows if one of your so hated meta classes came by with a higher score or if they replaced him due to his behavior or if they excused and invited a guild mate instead. you are just bringing in your personal frustration here and you arent objective. i bet you would be upset if a player joins your key and leaves after it started instead of saying "yeah i kind of can understand that guy, well my key got depleted but he rises awareness so i shall sacrefice for the greater good" all that guy achives is that people are sad and some dont invite dreanor warriors anymore.

overall people should care less about that meta bullshit if they arent playing 20+ keys and even keys above 20 are do able with non meta classes,

Edited March 23, 2021 by ResoWho

[ResoWho 68]

1 hour ago, sckhar said:

Why hide the name though? This person doesn't deserve anonymity for what he's doing and people deserve to know who to avoid.

By saying it's just a warrior from eu-draenor all you're going to accomplish is getting a lot of warriors from that realm unfairly denied to groups as people will think they might be him

cause its from reddit and mostly its forbidden there to post names since its easily abused. you could just accuse someone whos not guilty and get him banned by fake reasons / screenshots

Edited March 23, 2021 by ResoWho

[Brutalock 1]

my party was the 1st victim that he started the !@#$  ToP14

Edited March 23, 2021 by Brutalock

[ReinaldoNS 2]

Demote the key on failure is one more harm that players can do to others. I see no reason to demote a key even if you fail to time it. Plus a key is part of the price and even if you fail, the key will give you a loot and the option in the Vault of the level failed. Why add a demotion of the key as punishment?

My suggestion is to just not plus the key on failure, and even better, gave the option to the player to reduce as many levels of the key they want. (and please allow us delete the key again)

[RafaelRG9 2]

If they wont post the warrior's name, then the solution should be pretty obvious, EU needs to stop inviting Warriors untils said toxic player stops or is exposed

[Calorat 78]

just more proof that Mythic+ is a great idea in theory but the actual implementation is on of the worst things to happen to the game. adding a e-sport like time limit was just asking for trouble and problems

[Starym 3,800]

10 hours ago, CTEKK said:

Giving it a post is weird as I can relate more to the warrior than to the guys kicking me as soon as a higher Rio player from a better meta class joins the search tool. I am running occasionally 18s with 1650 Rio. 

 

Pugging is toxic and at least this guy has a relatable reason to be an *filtered*. 

There is absolutely NO reason on any imaginable level to do anything like this. Getting kicked/not invited might be frustrating but taking it out on people who have NOTHING to do with it (and so many) with a completely childish and borderline psychotic message to boot is... This person probably needs some help from a mental health professional.