wow The Ultimate Mythic+ Rage Griefing: Player Purposefully Abandons Groups After Key Starts for Getting Replaced in a Previous Run

[Starym 3,800]

8 hours ago, Yridaa said:

@StarymIt's quite clear to me. This person copy pastes his messages "I was replaced on +15 blablabla" to people. He must have accidentally kept a previous copied text message "temporarily suspended" from a previous... trolling subject (?) to another victim, likely not even WoW related seeing as the subject is so different.

 

Deplorable.

That's a good point lol, so it's not just a terrible human being, but also an incompetent one. Starting to see why he got kicked in the first place.

[Starym 3,800]

7 hours ago, sckhar said:

Why hide the name though? This person doesn't deserve anonymity for what he's doing and people deserve to know who to avoid.

By saying it's just a warrior from eu-draenor all you're going to accomplish is getting a lot of warriors from that realm unfairly denied to groups as people will think they might be him

We didn't know the name, the blacking out is because of reddit rules.

[DahkCeles 18]

4 hours ago, Calorat said:

just more proof that Mythic+ is a great idea in theory but the actual implementation is on of the worst things to happen to the game. adding a e-sport like time limit was just asking for trouble and problems

 

The first sentence could also apply to the invention of the internet, and the advent of multiplayer with anonymous people.

Toxic people will find a way to hurt others, no matter the game.   I don't disagree that the game play rules can have a soft effect of egging them on (or reversely calming them down)... but some people will just be hurtful and toxic no matter what you do.   That is a part of human reality we just have to accept -- and hopefully mitigate through suitable punishments inline with the EULA.

 

[Vats 0]

We were another group he did it too

 

https://imgur.com/a/d7o9wU9?third_party=1#_=_

[Ragingwolf 310]

21 hours ago, Starym said:

We didn't know the name, the blacking out is because of reddit rules.

The name is Jolex from Draenor-EU as a Zandalari Warrior; courtesy of Vats image link.

Here is their Raider IO

https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Jolex

[Andser 34]

To be honest, with the current state of m+, this is the only reasonable way to enjoy it, full of toxic unskilled players who bought runs and geared in pvp/raids. Back when m+ started in legion it was way less toxic and people actually enjoyed them - like pulling the whole MoS ramp and then deck, thats what it was about and not nowadays' punishing braindead mechanics that make the game feel like a chore and arent really engaging. I was considering resubbing a few months ago just to do this exact same sabotage.
Those calling for him being deanonymized are even on a lower level than him, proposing things based on a pseudo-moral highround just to fit in the community of white knighting. 

[Starym 3,800]

11 hours ago, Andser said:

To be honest, with the current state of m+, this is the only reasonable way to enjoy it, full of toxic unskilled players who bought runs and geared in pvp/raids. Back when m+ started in legion it was way less toxic and people actually enjoyed them - like pulling the whole MoS ramp and then deck, thats what it was about and not nowadays' punishing braindead mechanics that make the game feel like a chore and arent really engaging. I was considering resubbing a few months ago just to do this exact same sabotage.
Those calling for him being deanonymized are even on a lower level than him, proposing things based on a pseudo-moral highround just to fit in the community of white knighting. 

If you think what he did isn't just absolutely horrible human behavior you should really do some introspection. There is absolutely 0 justification for inflicting that on players who have nothing to do with anything other than trying to play the game, it's literally fanning the flames and making everything just more toxic for no reason whatsoever other than INCREDIBLY childish reasons.

Just to use an extreme exaggeration, it's basically terrorism. Someone from a specific community did something bad to you and so you take it out on innocents. Ofc it's nowhere near as dramatic as that, but it's the exact same logic, so maybe rethink your whole "let the world burn" nonsense logic, genuinely for your own good (and sanity).

[Andser 34]

1 hour ago, Starym said:

If you think what he did isn't just absolutely horrible human behavior you should really do some introspection. There is absolutely 0 justification for inflicting that on players who have nothing to do with anything other than trying to play the game, it's literally fanning the flames and making everything just more toxic for no reason whatsoever other than INCREDIBLY childish reasons.

Just to use an extreme exaggeration, it's basically terrorism. Someone from a specific community did something bad to you and so you take it out on innocents. Ofc it's nowhere near as dramatic as that, but it's the exact same logic, so maybe rethink your whole "let the world burn" nonsense logic, genuinely for your own good (and sanity).

Comparing it to terorrism is the worst exaggeration you could use, terrorism is against the law, griefing in an online world isn't. You've done exactly what I stated in the second paragraph. Stop discriminating, if someone wants to enjoy the game this way, let him do it. By your logic I could say that people farming an area of elementals in classic wow is the same as chinese companies in africa abusing slave labour, its literal nonsense to use real world comparisons.

[Starym 3,800]

10 hours ago, Andser said:

Comparing it to terorrism is the worst exaggeration you could use, terrorism is against the law, griefing in an online world isn't. You've done exactly what I stated in the second paragraph. Stop discriminating, if someone wants to enjoy the game this way, let him do it. By your logic I could say that people farming an area of elementals in classic wow is the same as chinese companies in africa abusing slave labour, its literal nonsense to use real world comparisons.

Griefing is also against the in-game law. The only difference is that this person (seemingly) doesn't have demands/a goal.

And yes, I did say it's a giant exaggeration, but I see there's no getting through to you, if you think that 1 player "enjoying" the game while harming 4 others is fine and shouldn't be punished.

[plukkie070 1]

I don't run that many M+ so my question might be a bit noobish.

How can he do this with the 3 randoms in a row if the chain breaks?

 

if you kick him, sure your key will be a level lower right?  but you don't have to deal with him anymore so how can he do that 3 times in a row then?

 

can someone please explain this to me what this is about?

 

thanks in advance.

[toraidhe 0]

On 3/23/2021 at 10:48 AM, RafaelRG9 said:

If they wont post the warrior's name, then the solution should be pretty obvious, EU needs to stop inviting Warriors untils said toxic player stops or is exposed

If he's really as toxic as this is sounding revealing the name wont change anything.  He will simply pay for a name change and continue on.  Blizzard would need to step in and do something.

[Andser 34]

On 3/25/2021 at 9:10 PM, Starym said:

Griefing is also against the in-game law. The only difference is that this person (seemingly) doesn't have demands/a goal.

And yes, I did say it's a giant exaggeration, but I see there's no getting through to you, if you think that 1 player "enjoying" the game while harming 4 others is fine and shouldn't be punished.

What you would prefer is literal communism """for the good of 4 people over 1""". Who cares about some random 4 people, I've never met them before, never will after that and they are probably just some chinese bots anyways so who cares.

[Starym 3,800]

7 hours ago, Andser said:

What you would prefer is literal communism """for the good of 4 people over 1""". Who cares about some random 4 people, I've never met them before, never will after that and they are probably just some chinese bots anyways so who cares.

I have no idea what on earth you're talking about anymore. A) it's not 4 people it's many groups of 4 people this awful person has affected, inflicting his (your?) frustration in a pathetic way of spreading misery. Communism is also a pretty good way to spread misery so I'm not sure where your insane comparison is coming from there. But if you ever are of the opinion that doing something explicitly, clearly bad and hurting other people based on your own incorrect logic just to make yourself feel a little better then you really shouldn't ever interact with people and I'm guessing won't be having many friends (or will lose those you have when you start applying this logic to them).

I'm hoping you're either a) the guy from the screenshots and are defending your own insane actions or b) are trolling and taking things to an absurd extreme in which case ok, you can calm down now and talk about how you would actually act in real life with these same conditions.

[Starym 3,800]

On 3/25/2021 at 11:30 PM, plukkie070 said:

I don't run that many M+ so my question might be a bit noobish.

How can he do this with the 3 randoms in a row if the chain breaks?

 

if you kick him, sure your key will be a level lower right?  but you don't have to deal with him anymore so how can he do that 3 times in a row then?

 

can someone please explain this to me what this is about?

 

thanks in advance.

Sorry, just spotted this. He does this to other groups, so he gets invited to a key, leaves after it starts and removes 1 from his "row". If the group kicks him before that, however, he adds 2 or whatever number to the row. Then after that a DIFFERENT group invites him and he does the same to them.

[plukkie070 1]

4 hours ago, Starym said:

Sorry, just spotted this. He does this to other groups, so he gets invited to a key, leaves after it starts and removes 1 from his "row". If the group kicks him before that, however, he adds 2 or whatever number to the row. Then after that a DIFFERENT group invites him and he does the same to them.

Thank you for the reply.

What does this "from his row" means?   sorry for going deeper into this, but i,m curious.

Edited March 28, 2021 by plukkie070

[Starym 3,800]

On 3/28/2021 at 4:40 AM, plukkie070 said:

Thank you for the reply.

What does this "from his row" means?   sorry for going deeper into this, but i,m curious.

It's just a term he used in his message, like he adds groups to a "row", basically it's a series of groups he'll mess up. And then if he finishes a "row" he will stop until someone kicks him from a regular run again.

[Vlad 411]

On 3/27/2021 at 6:23 PM, Andser said:

What you would prefer is literal communism """for the good of 4 people over 1""". Who cares about some random 4 people, I've never met them before, never will after that and they are probably just some chinese bots anyways so who cares.

Your attitude of "who cares about people I've never met" is absolutely vile. There is no defending someone who goes out of their way to inflict any kind of annoyance/suffering/time-wasting/griefing on people at random. Your completely arbitrary assumption that they're "probably" bots is just that, an assumption that has nothing at all to do with the matter at hand.

You really need to stop this line of argumentation. If you're trolling, you need to stop. If you're seriously arguing this, you have to take a step back and ask yourself why you'd have such an attitude.

Thanks.

[plukkie070 1]

6 hours ago, Starym said:

It's just a term he used in his message, like he adds groups to a "row", basically it's a series of groups he'll mess up. And then if he finishes a "row" he will stop until someone kicks him from a regular run again.

Thank you kindly for your reply.

[Andser 34]

3 hours ago, Vlad said:

Your attitude of "who cares about people I've never met" is absolutely vile. There is no defending someone who goes out of their way to inflict any kind of annoyance/suffering/time-wasting/griefing on people at random. Your completely arbitrary assumption that they're "probably" bots is just that, an assumption that has nothing at all to do with the matter at hand.

You really need to stop this line of argumentation. If you're trolling, you need to stop. If you're seriously arguing this, you have to take a step back and ask yourself why you'd have such an attitude.

Thanks.

Its one way to play games, there are people that act like this everywhere, its common in games like CSGO because they promote toxic behaviour, while WoW is more of a babysitting collection simulator nowadays so the new people who come to just do casual stuff get in the way of people who prefer challenging content.

[Vlad 411]

41 minutes ago, Andser said:

Its one way to play games, there are people that act like this everywhere, its common in games like CSGO because they promote toxic behaviour, while WoW is more of a babysitting collection simulator nowadays so the new people who come to just do casual stuff get in the way of people who prefer challenging content.

This has nothing to do with your statements from before.

I have no idea what WoW being a "babysitting collection simulator" is supposed to mean (please don't explain it to me), but I've played Shadowlands and can safely say it is pretty easy to attempt (and complete) challenging content without having players doing casual stuff "get in the way". You're always going to get some bad experiences when playing games online with strangers, but that's part of the deal.

[Andser 34]

1 hour ago, Vlad said:

This has nothing to do with your statements from before.

I have no idea what WoW being a "babysitting collection simulator" is supposed to mean (please don't explain it to me), but I've played Shadowlands and can safely say it is pretty easy to attempt (and complete) challenging content without having players doing casual stuff "get in the way". You're always going to get some bad experiences when playing games online with strangers, but that's part of the deal.

You're part of the problem them, nothing more to see here, thanks for the discussion.