Feral talents

[Jonesy0000 0]

Hi Team

I am recently returning from a few years away from the game and I have decided to go back to my much loved main throughout wrath, the feral druid. I have always been a cut above the rest and managed to be top dps all through wrath. 

I was reading your guide and noticed in the talents you don't take savage roar. Can you explain the match behind this as to me it seems like the more viable option. 

[wordup 37]

3 hours ago, Jonesy0000 said:

Hi Team

I am recently returning from a few years away from the game and I have decided to go back to my much loved main throughout wrath, the feral druid. I have always been a cut above the rest and managed to be top dps all through wrath. 

I was reading your guide and noticed in the talents you don't take savage roar. Can you explain the match behind this as to me it seems like the more viable option. 

The indirect generation granted from Soul of the Forst (that also extends to Convoke windows) is worth more due to the high value of Ferocious Bite currently that Savage Roar competes with per cast. On top this it enhances your Berserk window fluidity with the back and forth Bite cycle, and not requiring the additional maintenance causes it to simply numerically win out over Savage Roar. It also has a much lower failure rate by misplay caused by juggling Energy, CPs, DoT/Buff timers, so all compound together to make it a bit of a no brainer situation at the moment.

That said, Savage Roar isn't far off it's just a cause of why pick something slightly worse that's easier to misplay than one that's at the same level but has no failure state.

[Jonesy0000 0]

I guess it really stems from playing in top tier through wrath and having savage roar as a part of my rotation that I sort of expect it in there. Just from reading the talents themselves I would have though having a move that increases all damage by 15% and increases energy regen would be stronger than something that increases only your finishers by 5% and gives you back 25 energy. I'm horrible with numbers but I would love someone to cruch them and actually give me a % difference between them. 

[MrSkullcandy 2]

Late reply but I still wanna leave one as others could find it.

The problem with Savage Roar is that Soul of the Forest is just flat out better.

Especially because of Convoke the Spirits and the burst window for Berserk as you can Shred Bite spam through the entire duration while having the Niya bonus Mastery, this only got worse with the last Soulbind that now gives 50% extra mastery from the proc after convoke, which usually gets used with the Celestial Spirits legendary. 

All this boils down to spamming really hard bites which end up being 50% of our dmg.

The problem is that our bleeds/dots, especially as Nightfae are really bad in comparison, which are the ones who benefit the most from SR. 
The Haste-Nerf we received a long time ago also creeps in as with flat out aura buffs that changed our damage profile into heavy hitting finisher spammers, while builders and bleeds are just not good enough.
On top of that with the current Bloodtalons not being able to buff more bleeds than our Rip makes us into bite machines who have no use for haste. 

Many have a problem getting used to feral now because it seems like such a hard job to maintain all bleeds while they also are affected with snapshots, but the current Feral boils down to having up a BT rip, pressing convoke during zerk and spamming bites, which is sad.

There is currently 2 Talentbuilds, 1 for AOE with Predator and PrimalWrath and one for ST which is Sabertooth with BrutalSlash, nothing else changes damage-talent wise.