Will Arms become a DPS spec again?

[LobbyBoy 37]

I've mothballed my Arms warri during MOP because of the massive lack of dmg and Fury wasn't all that fun for me.

Because i'm not familiar with the upcoming changes in WOD i would like to ask for some informations whether Arms will become a competition to Fury in PVE? 

Edited May 22, 2014 by LobbyBoy

[ragebarr 153]

Arms is viable right now. It's single target damage isn't quite as good as Fury's, but unless you're doing heroic progression and you're really struggling with enrage timers, it's a decent spec to play.

 

It is around 10-15% behind Fury in single target damage right now, and on cleave and AoE it simply crushes it.

 

We can't really say anything about MoP other than wild guesses now, since the Arms rotation will be changing quite a bit, and that the numbers aren't even close to be tuned.

[Sajakain 104]

Arms is viable right now. It's single target damage isn't quite as good as Fury's, but unless you're doing heroic progression and you're really struggling with enrage timers, it's a decent spec to play.

 

It is around 10-15% behind Fury in single target damage right now, and on cleave and AoE it simply crushes it.

 

We can't really say anything about MoP other than wild guesses now, since the Arms rotation will be changing quite a bit, and that the numbers aren't even close to be tuned.

 

^ This.

 

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Until we know the rotation of Arms in WoD, we won't be able to tell it's weight compared to the other DPS specs.

[LobbyBoy 37]

@ ragebarr, Sajakain:

 

Thx for your prompt answers.

Maybe i will try a SoO guild run with my poor equipped warri and hope that lads won't die laughing 

[ragebarr 153]

Depending on what your gear looks like, Arms might actually outperform Fury, as it is not nearly as Crit-dependant.

[Sajakain 104]

Indeed. I wouldn't try Fury until you're at least 30% Crit ubuffed and, even then, until you get used to the Fury Rotation, you may slightly pull ahead, still, in Arms. They are completely different playstyles (it took me some time to get used to it).

 

With all this being said, though... I'm looking forward to a hopeful Alpha / Beta invite and testing Arms once again. :D

[LobbyBoy 37]

I've checked http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/100/14/60/default/ today and found some interesting infos:

 

 

 

 

Due to median values, Arms looks really poor but if you take a look at the Max column, Arms overtakes Fury by nearly 100k! The Min and Std Dev values looking somehow confusing. Maybe someone has a explanation for this  !?

Edited May 23, 2014 by LobbyBoy

[Sajakain 104]

I've checked http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/100/14/60/default/ today and found some interesting infos:

 

 

 

 

Due to median values, Arms looks really poor but if you take a look at the Max column, Arms overtakes Fury by nearly 100k! The Min and Std Dev values looking somehow confusing. Maybe someone has a explanation for this  !?

 

Well, it's a median. By definition you derive the median by taking Low Vaule (LV) + High Value (HV) and divide by total entries. In this case, SoO bosses, it'd be 14. That would give you the median.

 

Maximum may come into effect on a single boss situation. Arms is better on some fights than Fury: cleave fights. (Spoils, for instance).

[Hybrys 199]

Arms is also HEAVILY skewed in that image, by their min being 691.  Their standard dev is 160k vs Fury's 60k.  And their sample size is too small to weed out the bads.  (Unlike Fury's)

 

Raidbots is awful in there comparisons because of things like that.  If a spec is unpopular, the high end players don't play it.  If the high end players don't play it, it doesn't get enough samples to attain a high average.  If there aren't enough samples to attain a high average, the spec is seen as trash, and becomes unpopular.

[LobbyBoy 37]

Arms is also HEAVILY skewed in that image, by their min being 691.  Their standard dev is 160k vs Fury's 60k.  And their sample size is too small to weed out the bads.  (Unlike Fury's)

 

I agree to the fact, that the sample size is quite small and the results are distorted therefore. But how the bloody hell can it be, that the Min value is below 700? Dying after the first hit and not worth a res? 

 

 

 

Raidbots is awful in there comparisons because of things like that.  If a spec is unpopular, the high end players don't play it.  If the high end players don't play it, it doesn't get enough samples to attain a high average.  If there aren't enough samples to attain a high average, the spec is seen as trash, and becomes unpopular.

 

After some reading i totally agree to this.

[Hybrys 199]

I agree to the fact, that the sample size is quite small and the results are distorted therefore. But how the bloody hell can it be, that the Min value is below 700? Dying after the first hit and not worth a res? 

Or an Arms warrior bought a carry and the group asked them to taunt the boss at the start and die so they can't screw up mechanics.  I could see that happening on something like Thok.

 

Either way, it's a vicious cycle perpetuated by RaidBots, but at least the well represented specs are something good to look at.