5.4 Affliction Tips & Quirks

[Zagam 1,982]

Was just making sure I could leave it a little lower than that, and just achieve it through Haste buff. Thanks!

I think there's some confusion here. The point here is you need AT LEAST 6637 Haste rating INCLUDING the 5% raid Haste buff. There is no buff in the game that gives you additional Haste rating like Blessing of Might gives Mastery rating. If you're desiring to hit Haste thresholds, you must use the values inclusive of what you need WITH raid Haste.

[Jasa111 0]

If I cant make the 6637 haste rating just based on gear, is it worth gemming for it or just waiting for better gear?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormrage/J%C3%A0sa/simple

[Twinkielock 15]

I thought haste breakpoints were not needed. I thought it was Hit > Haste/Matery > Crit?

[Omaric 246]

I thought haste breakpoints were not needed. I thought it was Hit > Haste/Matery > Crit?

You've got it right. It basically doesn't matter. The only time it does matter is if you allow your DoT's to fall off and don't take advantage of Pandemic.

[Zagam 1,982]

People like haste breakpoints. No amount of me telling them to ignore them works, so I just tell them to suit their fancy and play the way they like to.

[Twinkielock 15]

What are your thoughts of hit rating in this 5.2 world?

[Omaric 246]

What are your thoughts of hit rating in this 5.2 world?

Let's put it this way..... What are your thoughts on missing a Haunt? ;-)

Edited March 14, 2013 by Omaric

[Gravyspasm 70]

Let's put it this way..... What are your thoughts on missing a Haunt? ;-)

actually, what changed my mind to capping (because i was vehemently against it at the start of mists) was throwing a soulburn'd soul swap and one of the dots not sticking. too much wasted time spent reapplying, imo. so, i capped.

[Twinkielock 15]

Let's put it this way..... What are your thoughts on missing a Haunt? ;-)

I am capped. Ask Mr. Robot strongly suggests not going for hit. Thought I would get some human input though :)

[Omaric 246]

Mr. Robot is straight up cray cray yo.

[vladMTL 1]

I already did that in a different thread. Came out to be about a 5% DPS loss for Demonology via a singular Demonology single-target log.

I don't know man last night even though I played while listening to a soccer match aff seems SOOO bad now ... will go destro i guess yay crit gear in 5.2

[Leojoe 0]

The 6637 cap assumes a haste buff, yes.

Hi man im a main affliction warlocks spec, im a bit confused about the number of the hasta CAP, im at ilvl 493, so i should go for the 6637 haste CAP, but im not sure if that is the number that i have to see on my character info stats (15,62%) unbuffed or if that is the number i have to reach when i get the 5% haste buff

[Omaric 246]

Hi man im a main affliction warlocks spec, im a bit confused about the number of the hasta CAP, im at ilvl 493, so i should go for the 6637 haste CAP, but im not sure if that is the number that i have to see on my character info stats (15,62%) unbuffed or if that is the number i have to reach when i get the 5% haste buff

6637 haste rating is how much you need to gain an extra tick of Unstable Affliction. You get another tick of Agony as well at 6400, but it just makes sense to gain a bit more for the next UA tick. The thing is, the importance of these breakpoints is only relavant if you allow your DoT's to fall off. You aren't going to feel it if you are using Pandemic properly and not allowing your DoT's to fall off.

If you're a goblin that number would be 6151.

[Cruzan 71]

Hi man im a main affliction warlocks spec, im a bit confused about the number of the hasta CAP, im at ilvl 493, so i should go for the 6637 haste CAP, but im not sure if that is the number that i have to see on my character info stats (15,62%) unbuffed or if that is the number i have to reach when i get the 5% haste buff

It's definitely a little confusing to think about, but the rating number (6637 in your case) won't change with the haste buff. So the answer to your question is yes, you should see 6637 on your character sheet. When you aren't in a group and don't have the 5% haste buff, the percentage you'll see is 15.62%. When you are in a group and have the haste buff, the number you will see is 21.4%.

[trublood 0]

Any chance it would be worth it to pursue the 9778 haste break-point for affliction yet?

I've managed to reach it with hit cap and 4778 mastery rating. I seem to be doing more dps, but maybe it's just my feeling, and it may be worth to stack some more mastery before aiming this. I should mention that i"m only 505ilvl so far.

[JvChequer 43]

Any chance it would be worth it to pursue the 9778 haste break-point for affliction yet?

I've managed to reach it with hit cap and 4778 mastery rating. I seem to be doing more dps, but maybe it's just my feeling, and it may be worth to stack some more mastery before aiming this. I should mention that i"m only 505ilvl so far.

Ilvl 510~ worth it go after 9778 haste cap.

I'm 508 and still have 6,3k mastery

[Cedrin 3]

Hello fellow locks. I could use your thoughts on my stat weights. I liked what I had going until I got some new gear with crit on it. I can't seem to get a reforge I like. My armory is http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/fenris/Rauden/simple

If you had my gear what kind of changes would you make to my haste/mastery etc. I like to be hit capped but I took about 1% away to try to make up some haste and mastery after I got the new trinket and gloves. If you were me what would you do? Ive tried different. Should I just shoot for 4717 with raid buff? Should I even haste and mastery out?

[Leojoe 0]

It's definitely a little confusing to think about, but the rating number (6637 in your case) won't change with the haste buff. So the answer to your question is yes, you should see 6637 on your character sheet. When you aren't in a group and don't have the 5% haste buff, the percentage you'll see is 15.62%. When you are in a group and have the haste buff, the number you will see is 21.4%.

Oh ok, nowi get it, ty for your help man, same to Omaric!, well so I guess I don't get that breakpoint yet, that will mean a loss of a bunch of Mastery

[Zagam 1,982]

The BiS profile in Simcraft has 16.5k Haste rating with 7.8k Mastery rating. The DPS gain over keeping Haste and Mastery equal is about 300 (out of 200k+). If you're only planning on playing Affliction and acquiring full BiS gear, then full Haste is a viable option. However, since Destruction and Demonology value Haste less, you'd be gimping yourself if you played an off-spec. I suggest keeping Haste and Mastery high and equal.

[Geko 0]

Hello fellow warlocks!

I'd like to find out if any of you veterans is able to take a good guess, or super accurate maybe (remember having seen the numbers for this on the net somewhere but can't find them anymore) on how much DPS I would gain with going for the 6637 hastecap. I am using ReforgeLite to do my reforging. I have pressed the calculate button a thousand times but with the best gear I currently have available its simply not possible to reach this 6637 cap the addon says. I don't know how to add that 6637 cap in the robot to find out whether he is able to reach the cap or not.

Armory link from my character: http://eu.battle.net...ill/Geko/simple

I am able to buy the haste trinket from the Dominic Offensive faction (+1152 haste), however I need some reliable info about how much DPS I would probably gain with going for the 6637 cap in order to decide whether I should spend my valors on it or not.

Currently I will stick with my 4717 hastecap + full mastery setup. For my gear it results in more DPS than a somewhat 50/50 haste-mastery setup.

Also I'd love some feedback / explanation about the Tier 75 Talents for Affliction.

Elitist jerks says that sacrifice for affliction is still the best choice. Source: http://elitistjerks...._panda_edition/

Yet spotting alot of warlocks with Supremacy and an observer made me curious to find out whether it would be better. With my gear I won about 900 DPS by using Supremacy with the Observer.

Thanks in advance!

Regards Geko

P.S. For some reason I have been completely forgetting about the fact that I am ofcourse able to reach the 6637 cap if I grab some haste gems haha. My bad! :P

Edited March 20, 2013 by Geko

[Twinkielock 15]

Don't worry about the haste cap. It is only useful if you let dots fall off.

[Geko 0]

Don't worry about the haste cap. It is only useful if you let dots fall off.

Thanks Think I got the mess which involved ignoring my gems somewhat sorted now. Did a couple more sims and I gained 400 DPS by going for the 6637 cap instead of somewhat equalising haste and mastery.

I'll stick with the 6637 cap setup for now as I'm progressing on Horridon with my new team. Since there's so many adds it happens I let some dots fall off.

Edited March 20, 2013 by Geko

[Bozzley 4]

with the current nerf's to grim of sac and the 25% nerf to corruption where is Affliction in terms of dps compared to Demo and Destro as im playing Aff now and it seems as if my dps has dropped measurably and im working twice as hard to compete,also i didnt put in logs as i only have time for lfr and my question was just more of an over view rather than what i might be doing or not doing

http://us.battle.net...Ghazlock/simple

Edited March 21, 2013 by Sargerik

[vladMTL 1]

aff is just bad man :( destro and demo are kinda way above it atm until you reach a certain ilvl like between 522-535 or something but beneath that is just bad ...

[Rrasis 13]

Simulcraft shows affliction dropping 23,670dps between 5.1 and 5.2 at an I-level of about 508

currently Affliction Simulcraft shows it 6.5kdps below destruction and about 3.2k below demonology at that same 508 I-level. this is simulcraft though and not real world but it gives you a good idea. they're not huge differences in DPS so if you are more comfortable with one than the other than play what you're comfortable with. I got bored and made a spreadsheet of the changes between 5.1 and 5.2, you may think it's been a huge nerf but it really hasn't been too bad. with the way some classes scale and other don't affliction will be in the middle by the time you are 522 geared and will be back towards the top when you start getting heroic geared.

This was done right after the 25% corruption/doom nerf, since then affliction has gone up about 2500dps on simulcraft I'm sure other classes have changed here and there too.

Edited March 21, 2013 by Rrasis