Boomkin DPS

[MaximMazov 0]

hello all

few months ago i upgraded my first twink for the 9 years of playing wow

now i try to understand balance dps

 

after few full raids in SoO, i have some troubles

first off all - funny, but it's hard for me after frost mage to have such giant gcd

 

but, main problem is - i dont know how to dps right

so, i've looked at some guides of balance druids, try to ask our moonkins

at final i have ugly dps with, i think, right rotation and renewal of DoTs

 

for example

 

 

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-mmuap0h9czgxfl2v/

 

can you explain whats wrong with me?

 

P.S.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/ru/character/%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8/%D0%AD%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD/advanced

 

its me

Edited June 8, 2014 by MaximMazov

[Krazyito 521]

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8/%D0%AD%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD/advanced

English translated armory. (changed ru to en)

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ad7rbMzTkK9LqRZf#fight=18&type=damage-done  - edit: may not be him i guess.  Unsure.

Some warcraft logs I found. (search the armory name in WCL site)

If you could upload your own WCL fights to share that would be great.

WoL is outdated and not useful any more. WCL gives much better information

[MaximMazov 0]

for now i have only wol link

 

i think for first 11 bosses wol is ok

 

wcl, u've found is not correct

i have 3 discs in it

Edited June 8, 2014 by MaximMazov

[MaximMazov 0]

anybody cant say anything? at all

kindly ask u, guys, help me please

[Krazyito 521]

anybody cant say anything? at all

kindly ask u, guys, help me please

Give us a little time man.  Most of us are in the US and when you posted that it was 5 am on the east coast.  I just did a little digging before I went to bed.  Next, if you can come back with some WCL of your next raid, that would help much more cause then we could see little things like when exactly you refreshed your DoTs, if it was even worth it for you to do it, if you refreshed them during your haste procs (NG) etc.

 

Looking at WoL at Iron Juggernaut  You have 95%+ uptimes on your dots, which is good.  You had 8 Lunar eclipse and 10 starfalls, which is also good.  

 

89% uptime on Nature's grace, for a fight like Iron Juggernaut, especially only having 1 aoe damage phase, you really should be a lot closer to 100%.

 

You have 54 shooting stars procs, and you only casted starsurge 25 times.  From most logs I've seen, people only miss around 30 - 25% of their starsurge procs.  You missed 50%, so you need to work on hitting them more often.

 

Not having the legendary meta gem or cloak will hinder you a good bit.  If you refresh your DoTs with the meta gem, you get much more SS procs from all those extra ticks.

 

Your gear looks fine, just the meta gem and the cloak are pretty big increases.  You may want to start going for more mastery though.  With only 22% your spells aren't going to be hitting hard enough.  This may help you with your SS proc usage too, if you're getting too many procs and cant cast them fast enough, its just wasted crits.  Try to drop your crit to about 35 - 30% in favor of more mastery.

 

I mean, compared to me (I know a bit about how this is suppose to work, but I'm terrible at execution) your doing ok for that ilvl.  With the cloak, meta gem, some more mastery, and some practice, I think you're on track for playing well.

[Kazistrasz 216]

What Krazy said. I'm East Coast US. Much as I'd like to look at everything immediately, sometimes I sleep. I'll go on Krazy's word for the WOL, but I really don't like looking at any log that isn't from Warcraft Logs. Takes longer and I can't get all of the same information from WoL.

 

Also, Krazy: you need to change your avatar and signature. You're Horde now, brother. LOK'TAR OGAR!

[Krazyito 521]

Also, Krazy: you need to change your avatar and signature. You're Horde now, brother. LOK'TAR OGAR!

 

Don't make me censor your ass

[MaximMazov 0]

if i understand right, 100% nature's grace can be if i havent any time between eclipses without it

but

i have noticed, that there no problem from sun eclipse to moon to go into, but because of long starfire cast i have periods of non nature's grace

 

about missing starsurge procs

for now i have no idea how not to loose them

i stop casting everything when it procs, but...

may be more practice..

 

about legendary items

too many people talks about it, but as i remember at the middle of ToT our owl (without gem and cloac) had better damage, equals to my current

thats why im scared=)

 

for the future, ill try to make only WCL, thaks for that point

[Krazyito 521]

The gem helps a lot so that you can get more procs based on the tick speed. You really don't have a lot of mastery and you could afford to go down to 35 or 30% crit (unbuffed). That should increase your total damage while also allowing to you react to starsurge procs more often.

Meta gem also helps with the starfire casts being slow.

Don't stop your casts for starsurge procs.

[MaximMazov 0]

Don't stop your casts for starsurge procs.

explain plz

as i've heard i should use proc of ss everytime i have it, even if i need to stop current cast

[Krazyito 521]

I mean, its a DPS loss to stop your wrath and starfire casts becasue you're already spending the global to use it.  You're better off just spamming the starsurge button to queue it up as the next spell.

 

If you stop your cast it has to be within the first half a second.  Just in general, don't stop casting.

 

here for more info: https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/5938-new-balance-druid-looking-for-help/?p=64246

[MaximMazov 0]

wcl

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qX94MWdTLpBk8zvr

 

garrosh

 

also ugly damage

[MaximMazov 0]

good time of a day

 

i made some improvements in gear/reforge/gems

 

but imho i continue making smth wrong

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N7yWahwfd2Cq8prX

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tf17gJqV4F3NBZzQ

 

plz, help

[MaximMazov 0]

new source to analize

 

9th boss in SoO LFR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmWfIrxuAw4

 

 

what's wrong?

[Bonita 8]

Hello,

first of all I will talk about your theorycrafting:

- you should use askmrrobot.com to help you choosing how to gem and reforge

  because you could improve your critrating by 5%. Yes of course you will loose some mastery, but it is still crit > mastery (more chances of SS procs)

- You should be trying to replace Black Blood of Y'Shaarj and head for Multistrike trinket from Shamns (about 3% dmg increase)

- get cloak asap will also boost your dps a bit

- Get addon AffDots - Balance: It will help you manage renewing DOTS

- Get rid of mining as profession

 

Ok now lets analyze your video from Malkorok:

- No flask. dude..1000 / 1320 Int missing

- No Food. Another 300 Int missing

- Moonopener: Yes ok.. I did this also some time ago. Fine for me

- you did not prepot. Do it!

- Start with Only Moonfire Dot. Missing Sunfire DOT

- You didnt place shrooms. Place them prefight and detoante them while INC/CA active

- at 0:43 Metaprocc runs out and Moonfire will also fade in 1 sek. You should ReDot before the Procc runs off

- very often you have an trinketprocc or metaprocc but you dont Refresh your Dots. You should do this while being in an Eclipse (as written above download addon AffDots)

- You didnt use the 2nd Int-pot

- you did use your 2nd INC/CA combination too late. In this case for this fight you should have poped both the same time immediately when CD faded. If you got more time / HP left on the boss wait for a Metaprocc and if possible NG procc

 

EDIT: just saw its LFR..Hope you will use Flask/food/Pots while raiding with guild

Edited June 25, 2014 by Bonita

[Kazistrasz 216]

I strongly recommend against using AMR. Frankly, it's poorly programmed with inaccurate algorithms that can often produce inconsistent or simply suboptimal results compared to simply doing your own reforging by hand.

 

If you want to know how to reforge, it's like so:

 

COMPLETELY reforge out of hit/spirit. Put it into crit on any item that doesn't have crit, otherwise put it into Haste until you hit your haste cap, then mastery.

 

Go to the rest of your pieces, reforge mastery into haste until you reach your haste cap. If you go through this much and are not quite at your haste cap, begin reforging a couple pieces of crit into haste. If you need to take out too much crit for haste, simply drop to the lower cap. and restart the process.

 

Fill in blue gems with Misty (Spirit/Crit) gems. Then fill in red slots with Crafty (Exp/Crit) gems until you're hit capped. Then switch to potent (Int/Crit) gems for red slots.

 

There's no point in using AffDoTs for Boomkin - the only thing we really care about snapshotting is the Legendary Meta Gem. Using AffDoTs often leads to players refreshing their DoTs too often for a trinket proc, costing NG uptime and lowering DPS. SS Procs > any extra damage your DoTs might do.

 

Sorry it's taken a couple days to get to this - been busy with work and raiding.

 

If you're going to go with Lunar Opener, you need to adjust a few things:

 

Before the fight, drop your mushrooms under the boss. When your Wrath casts and you've hit Inc, you're hitting Moonfire. When you're hitting Moonfire, also hit Solar Beam and Wild Mushroom: Detonate. This gives you an extra 4 hits off the GCD to proc your Purified Bindings of Immerseus so that you'll more than likely have it immediately and not several seconds into the pull. Also apply Sunfire here. Oh, and it looks like you took a long time after Inc to be activating CA. With everything procing, it shouldn't take 10 seconds to apply DoTs and get 5 casts out.

 

I recommend you start learning the solar opener instead of the lunar, as it gives you the most CDs during the most procs.

 

You'll drop your mushrooms before the pull again. Also, you'll set yourself to Solar Eclipse (not one cast away, actually in the Eclipse). Pre-pull, you'll hit Starfall, then Inc, then as you're pulling, you'll hit CA and Moonfire to apply both dots, blow up your mushrooms, and solar beam. From there, rock and roll: Starsurges, and spam Starfire. Reapply Starfall when it wears off. Re-apply DoTs before you lose all procs and trinkets together (so before either LMG or BBoY runs out). If you get to the end of CA and won't be able to fit in a Starfire before it ends, start Wrath instead. You'll then Wrath your way into Lunar and go back into delivering big damage.

 

The one thing to be careful with the Solar Opener is aggro. Be careful if the boss is going to come near you. I play with one of the most talented prot pallies in the game, but on Siegecrafter the other week I straight ripped aggro because it only took three seconds to break 1M DPS.

 

Use the lunar opener if there's a buff that will happen a couple seconds into the fight (like Sha of Pride if you're lucky) or if there are a bunch of adds several seconds into the fight where delaying your shrooms until CA might make up the damage (Sha, Garrosh). If there are multiple targets at the start, always start with Solar. Unless you have a very good reason for the Lunar opener, go with the Solar.

 

For the rest of the fight... 

 

It looks like there are a couple times where you interrupted a cast to use your SS proc late into the cast. Better that you don't interrupt your casts. There were also several times where you had a SS proc and casted something else in its place. Bad juju.

 

Your second set of CDs was really late at the end - you used CA right as the fight was ending. You should have used these earlier. At exactly 3:00 into the fight, the boss was at 18% health as your Inc came up. 10 seconds later, when CA came up, you had just entered Solar and the boss had 14%. At that rate, you're just about 30 seconds from killing the boss. There was no way the fight would last long enough for you to see PBI proc again. You should have hit Inc with that Solar and then followed the Eclipse with CA.

[Krazyito 521]

http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/d20e58b4-0611-4b6b-b69d-1c4eb347b0bc

Here is the Mr. Robot profile for your character.

Kaz, it's hard to expect people to reforge optimally if they aren't as tuned to math the way others are.

You hate for Mr. Robot is IMO too much. If reforging for yourself is fine, then so be it. But others don't have the ability to do so. Mr. Robot can have its flaws, but by checking it after the fact each time.

[Kazistrasz 216]

Reforging by hand is simple and requires no mathematical ability at all. It's exactly the way I said to do it. No part of it requires mathematical ability unless you're unable to see if a number is above or below the haste cap. For a caster DPS, it couldn't possibly be any easier to reforge by hand.

 

It's not hatred - it's an inability to recommend a tool that has been so incredibly broken for me and others over the past.

[Bonita 8]

Well it is up to you MaximMazov who to listen to. Kazistraz does give a lot of useful information to everyone and I respect his effort here in the druid forum of icyveins.

Take his advices, but you should not only listen to him.

He generally denied a lot what I have written and from my point of view I am xp'ed enough to also consider my advices.

I personally wouldnt also agree everything he writes, but its his point of view and there is no sense about it starting discussing about it right here...
I play boonkin in 10 heroic and my DPS is very high (look at my signature for "epeenbot". You'll see it)

 

have fun and good luck

[Delaila 4]

Wow Bonita, really impressed. Spec on immerseus. I myself havent dpsed him on hc but i never get even close to 150 on normal, cant seem to keep the dps up..guess I just need more practice. On another note, how does Eppenbot works? Do i have to get some cind of acount or someting. Looked at my self and it only shows Ultraxion Hc and I have done much more sence that :P

[Krazyito 521]

Epeen bot is based of world of log parses. Which will soon be useless when they don't support anything in WoD.

WCL creator is working on a similar system.

[Bonita 8]

Hi Delaila,

thanks for your words. Really appreciate them.

As Krazyito already had mentioned, Epeenbot is based on World of logs.
Although WOL is outdated and not supported by the creators anymore, epeenbot can easily help you measure yourself with others who had loged their fights with WOL. (with exception of Blackfuse, Klaxxi and Garrosh HC - as I said..outdated)
You dont need an account for epeenbot. You just need your fights recorded and uploaded to WOL. It automatically copies at 10 AM EST the data from WOL to epeenbot and creates those charts.

 

PS: looking forward to the similar system by WCL

[Kazistrasz 216]

WCL already shows you your percentiles when you post parses, and will show you your best as a player at the time it was posted. They don't have a graph system for it the way Raidbots does Epeenbot, but it's still a nice way that they automatically give you your rank, your percentile, and how many it's out of for your spec. Only issue I can see for them adding that type of graph is that they automatically update percentiles and ranks live as logs are uploaded rather than a daily batch, so it would be hard to provide the graphs of the percentile points I would think unless they just looked at that every day.

 

Epeen is definitely a decent indicator, especially looking at someone's longer history when WCL was still taking off. As with everything, it should be taken with a grain of salt - their data has some bias to it. Since most top-end guilds are uploading to WCL these days, there's a lot of parses on the top end that are no longer going into Epeenbots. WOL also has flawed verification algorithms for fights, so there are a lot of fake parses of 30-second Galakras fights, 2:00 Phase 3 only Garrosh fights, etc. floating around in there that skew the data. H Immerseus is almost always parsed as a wipe when you kill it, and the last three bosses never had verification put in to be recognized as heroic.

 

Of course, similarly, a lot of those earlier parses are not present in WCL for construction of percentiles and rankings, which is a bias in their data set as well. At the same time, many of those earlier parses were with significantly less gear than people have now, even before they introduced 4/4 upgrading, so if anything most of those would go in under a high-percentile parse and give you a higher percentile overall. 

 

Not saying it to slight anyone or say any parse isn't what it is (a good parse is a good parse no matter how you look at it); they're just things to be wary of when looking at percentile and rank data in addition to normal things like DPS relative to gear level, role in the fight, overall strat, etc.

 

Kirahh, the WCL creator, actually has a thread over on the Dungeons and Raids forum here where we can leave him feedback that he checks from time to time and occasionally replies to. 

[MaximMazov 0]

thx a lot for your answers, i think they'll help

however i expect some skill up =)

i try to compare key points and choose my way