wow Jailer Mythic World First and Sepulcher RWF Victory Goes to Echo

[Starym 3,800]

 

The Sepulcher is cleared! After a grueling 19 days of the race (18 for the guild) Echo has managed to take down the Jailer Mythic, claim the World First, move to 11/11 and take the victory in the Race to World First! 277 pulls, 6 days, a secret phase, and only one (live) nerf later, the race for first place is over and Echo has defended their crown! Congratulations!

The kill clip and nerdscreams:

The secret phase was nerfed several times, but it all happened off-screen, in the sense that Blizzard reduced the difficulty before anyone got into phase 4. Once Echo reached it, it went fairly quickly, taking almost one full day of their progress to get the 10%>24.4% heal + 5.5% shield down. It is incredibly impressive, especially with a race this long and the fatigue settling in. The Jailer himself was a great encounter, but came at the tail end of a very grueling raid, as Halondrus, the crab himself, as well as the many more splits extended it quite a bit, and the later bosses were also no joke. The Sepulcher will be remembered as one of the more tightly tuned raids of all time, with some very memorable and difficult bosses.

The full phase 4 kill VoD:

The roster:

The Sepulcher of the First ones was also the longest race in modern WoW raiding history, surpassing the Tomb of Sargeras, and we'd have to go back to the first tier of Cataclysm to find longer lasting raids, and even those aren't real numbers as it was the first tier of the expansion and the raids were... weird. Ragnaros in Cataclysm lasted 14 days and everyone would agree that raid was much harder than the first 3.

Again, huge congratulations to Echo as they truly dominated the race, starting with the Lords of Dread, and on the Jailer really showed their skill and talent to their fullest.

[Dejo93 1,023]

Gz

[Grumpyface 1]

Congrats to Echo! I think those trinket choices are pretty indicative of how mediocre the new raid trinkets are, though...

[Teufel 331]

Gz, and all, but the implications of that shield Zovaal makes... Did he kust kill Azeroth?

[Znifler 58]

On 3/27/2022 at 1:06 AM, Teufel said:

Gz, and all, but the implications of that shield Zovaal makes... Did he kust kill Azeroth?

Very interesting indeed. 

I'd guess he injured her pretty significantly, in addition to her being stabbed by Sargeras. My theory is that Azeroth will emerge as a titan something at the end of next expansion. They can't just release her in the middle like a patch, and I presume people want to land a bit after Shadowlands, thus they will go slow to begin with. Having us return home, and do something like the Dragon Isles, or a slow themed Light focused expansion. 

[Teufel 331]

51 minutes ago, Znifler said:

I'd guess he injured her pretty significantly, in addition to her being stabbed by Sargeras. 

Probably.

I guess one can explain it by Secret Phase being Zovaal shutting the machine down and absorbing whatever remained on ZrM side of it, rather than what remained in Azeroth herself?..

Dunno, that thing is wonky.

[Deasto 1]

21 hours ago, Teufel said:

Probably.

I guess one can explain it by Secret Phase being Zovaal shutting the machine down and absorbing whatever remained on ZrM side of it, rather than what remained in Azeroth herself?..

Dunno, that thing is wonky.

Iirc, blizzard stated a long time ago that mythic secret phases aren't considered to be canon and just flavor for the fights

[Teufel 331]

2 hours ago, Deasto said:

Iirc, blizzard stated a long time ago that mythic secret phases aren't considered to be canon and just flavor for the fights

That would raise the question how Archimonde is considered permanently dead, then. 

Since he dies in Twisting Nether in Mythic-only phase, and otherwise - on Draenor, which is not even close to Outland, let alone Argus, in terms of being fel-saturated or pratially entwined with the Nether.

[Yridaa 490]

5 hours ago, Teufel said:

That would raise the question how Archimonde is considered permanently dead, then. 

Since he dies in Twisting Nether in Mythic-only phase, and otherwise - on Draenor, which is not even close to Outland, let alone Argus, in terms of being fel-saturated or pratially entwined with the Nether.

Doesn't matter. It's "other dimension" Archimonde anyway and the timeway is closed.

[Teufel 331]

1 hour ago, Yridaa said:

Doesn't matter. It's "other dimension" Archimonde anyway and the timeway is closed.

Not true.

Blizzard have confirmed that this is the Archimonde we knew. Plus, given Mag'har Allied Race quest, it doesn't seem THAT difficult to reopen it.

[Znifler 58]

13 hours ago, Yridaa said:

Doesn't matter. It's "other dimension" Archimonde anyway and the timeway is closed.

The same legion exists in all dimensions, and timelines. Blizzard said so themselves.

Edited March 30, 2022 by Znifler

[Yridaa 490]

On 3/30/2022 at 8:33 AM, Znifler said:

The same legion exists in all dimensions, and timelines. Blizzard said so themselves.

Then there cannot be two Gul'dans. If there's multiple Velen's then how could there be no multiple Archimonde's?

[Yridaa 490]

On 3/29/2022 at 9:14 PM, Teufel said:

Not true.

Blizzard have confirmed that this is the Archimonde we knew. Plus, given Mag'har Allied Race quest, it doesn't seem THAT difficult to reopen it.

Then we can safely assume the possibility of hundreds of Kil'jaedens and such. Wonderful. Lets see how many jailers we'll kill in the next expansions to come.

[Teufel 331]

1 hour ago, Yridaa said:

Then there cannot be two Gul'dans. If there's multiple Velen's then how could there be no multiple Archimonde's?

How do you keep geting it backwards. 😮

The "one singular entity" applies only to demonic creatures. A.k.a. either natural-born demons, or creatures that are so saturated with Fel that their soul will get yanked back to the Nether should they die outside of it. Warlocks, for all of their prowess with Fel magic, are still mortal, Gul'dan included. And given the Maardum intro questline, it is very rare even among Demon Hunters.

Theorizing on why - most likely because their natural plane of existence is Twisting Nether, not Great Dark Beyond (a.k.a. physical reality), which might just not abide the laws of time and timelines the same way, much like it is implied to be the case with Shadowlands.

[Yridaa 490]

On 4/13/2022 at 1:45 PM, Teufel said:

How do you keep geting it backwards. 😮

The "one singular entity" applies only to demonic creatures. A.k.a. either natural-born demons, or creatures that are so saturated with Fel that their soul will get yanked back to the Nether should they die outside of it. Warlocks, for all of their prowess with Fel magic, are still mortal, Gul'dan included. And given the Maardum intro questline, it is very rare even among Demon Hunters.

Theorizing on why - most likely because their natural plane of existence is Twisting Nether, not Great Dark Beyond (a.k.a. physical reality), which might just not abide the laws of time and timelines the same way, much like it is implied to be the case with Shadowlands.

Velen and KJ etc. Are originally also not demonic. I guess lore isn't that well known that they too were not part of the Burning Legion at some point (Velen never was of course, but his brothers turned into demons)

Edited April 15, 2022 by Yridaa