NoamNatan 1 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 hello everyone i never been so good with affliction, still i sometimes give it a try as offspec according to ask mr robot my stats are same for destruction and affliction with no changes needed. still i do quite crappy dps as affliction. i know it's not that strong spec compare to destruction but i want to master it as well there is a warlock in my guild who plays affliction and he get very high numbers i guess it comes with experience i was hoping you can help me spot what i'm doing wrong. this is my armory link http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/silvermoon/vaildor/simple here is a log from guild run on siegecrafter hc http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/w7lao30vdofvf6dc/sum/damageDone/?enc=bosses&boss=71504 i think i done quite reasonable dps as destruction check out the other warlock in guild Pollux his item lvl is quite higher then mine still he always does around 400k dps in affliction so i tried affliction on flex siegecrafter and the results were quite pathetic :( http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/w2852t6vc3pdbsg9/ can you analyze those logs and help me find what i'm doing wrong? will appreciate any help :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 If you want full, high quality reviews, please reupload the logs to Warcraftlogs. For affliction, I honestly don't know much outside of keeping your dots up as much as possible, so the high uptimes looks good to me. However, I have no idea on how well you are snapshoting your dots to make them as strong as possible, or when you are refreshing to see if you are overriding a more powerful dot with a weaker one. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elro 47 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 For future reference, we prefer it if you use Warcraftlogs instead of Worldoflogs, as it is a much better tool. Still, I'll try to spot any glaring errors. Ideally, you should have 100% uptime on your DoTs. As Affliction, those are EVERYTHING to your dps. On Flex Siegecrafter, you had 98.7% uptime on both Corruption and Agony, and 96.7% on Unstable Affliction. Judging by the number of 4pc procs and shard refunds from Corruption, your Haunt uptime should be higher. Honestly, between my not being extraordinarily familiar with Affliction, and Worldoflogs being more complicated and limited, that's all I can come up with. Hopefully some of the other locks on here can dig a little deeper. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 Affliction is the strongest spec in the game right now in high gear levels with short kill times, but it relies heavily on a good opener. You are likely fudging that, and probably failing to snapshot subsequent procs correctly. Get me a WL parse and I'll go through it properly tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Alright I thought I'd give WoL a quick look anyway before I disappear for a BBQ. Firstly let me reiterate how much WL helps because I can track when you cast every single spell relative to buffs and what not. I have also forgotten how to use the expression editor for WoL. Firstly, your cooldown usage along with procs: You had a perfect opener, in that everything procced. I am hoping that you know how to execute a proper opener for Affliction. Outside of getting a 25s pull timer, you want to Haunt - SB/SS - MG (all trinkets proc) - Cooldowns + SB/SS - MG/Haunt until BBoY fully stacked or Meta Gem falling off - SB/SS - Haunt - MG Spam. Outside of this, at the 2 minute mark, Meta Gem + PBI + BBoY procced together, however you forgot to use Dark Soul. This was a second potion opportunity as these would have been very strong DoT's similar in power to your opener. Big damage loss here. You then had two nice BBoY procs about 20 seconds apart. You later had PBI + BBoY + Dark Soul sync up AGAIN about 5 minutes in (late PBI proc was lucky for you having delayed DS earlier). Still no second potion used. By delaying Dark Soul you missed out on a 4th use of it which is bad. Overall you missed out on quite a bit of damage by 1) forgetting to use Dark Soul and 2) Refusing to use a second potion. Now, onto spell usage. You cast Soul Burn 23 times. WHAT? Are you using it as your primary source of DoT refreshing? Outside of 3 Soulburn's in the opener, plus potentially 6 more instant snapshots later in the fight, you shouldn't have cast Soul Burn so much. In a recent 3 minute kill of Nazgrim (half your Blackfuse kill), I had INSANEEEEE RNG, and still only used Soulburn 8 times. Start refreshing your DoT's manually unless you have major procs all expiring at once i.e BBoY and spend those shards on more haunts. If you need to DoT adds then that is what regular Soul Swap is for - inhale from the boss and exhale on the add. This way you get 10 stack Agony on stuff instantly + whatever power those DoT's had already, and doesn't cost you a shard. On a side note, I'm going to guess that your UI is pretty trash and is partly the reason you did so low. Are you using AffDots? If not, get it! Even the best Warlocks use it because it is so strong. Secondly, get WeakAuras to track all your procs close to the center of your screen so you can make your own judgement calls along with AffDots based on the duration of those procs and how they overlap. Now for a shameless plug, but I think it's a good example of how to snapshot correctly. Just observe how I see my trinkets proc and how I snapshot those with Soul Burn + Soul Swap, and use regular Soul Swap to spread those around whilst keeping the rest of my shards for haunt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQBxel2BWSg Edited August 9, 2014 by Liquidsteel 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoamNatan 1 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 i'm using Elvui and Affdots my opener was wrong i use to start as the boss is pulled with curse of elements > dark soul > prepot > SB+SS > haunt > malefic grasp if i use the prepot before the boss is pulled i can use it again? as you said '2nd potion'? the way i use it now it didn't allow me to use it again because it maybe was already during the fight there huge amount of dps went to waste :( i will post a new log soon when i get one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) i'm using Elvui and Affdots my opener was wrong i use to start as the boss is pulled with curse of elements > dark soul > prepot > SB+SS > haunt > malefic grasp if i use the prepot before the boss is pulled i can use it again? as you said '2nd potion'? the way i use it now it didn't allow me to use it again because it maybe was already during the fight there huge amount of dps went to waste i will post a new log soon when i get one If you use your first potion before the pull (when you are out if combat still), then it goes on a 2 min cd. If you use it after pull (in combat), the it goes on a combat lockout, meaning the cooldown won't start until after you leave combat (aka you or the boss dies). As for the logs, if you logged those yourself (which I assume you did) then you can upload them to Warcraftlogs next you are online. Just dl the uploader and browse to the log file (they may be archived). Also try to make it a Malkorok parse since those are easiest to read/review. Edited August 9, 2014 by Orthios Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoamNatan 1 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 i erased the log file because i wanted to make a new one with destruction to show the differences in dps but then i forgot to type /combatlog and the log remained empty i don't know what you mean Malkorak parse... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 Malkorok parse means go log a raid in which you killed malkorok. For combat logs, AMR's addon automatically starts logging when you zone into SoO, so it helps in case you forget (I would be out a bunch of logs otherwise). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoamNatan 1 Report post Posted August 9, 2014 here is a new log from lfr 3rd wing http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DFqpHYg38PVdWhzR i had some errors for example in malkorak fight i forgot to use the prepot before the pull so i used it just once and forgot to summon the terrorguard spoils was kinda messed up of all of these thok was the best in my opinion but again i forgot to use the 2nd pot in time i need more practice :P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 10, 2014 In the nicest way possible, I am 100% positive that your UI is completely and utterly garbage and is hindering you MASSIVELY. I'm looking at Malkorok and you just aren't playing properly in regard to cooldowns and trinkets. Above is a picture which shows when you had trinkets and procs up and your casts of Soulburn. I like to separate them as opposed to others who turn them into one graph, but effectively you can see how stuff lines up. Your opener you did a Soul Burn + Soul Swap AFTER BBoY and Meta Gem had fallen off. You just killed your opening burst by over half by doing this. You forgot to use Dark Soul when PBI procced second time. You AGAIN had BBoY line up PERFECTLY but you fucked it up and forgot to use Dark Soul. You should also have used second potion here. This also resulted in you only using Dark Soul twice out of 3 possible uses. Loads of DPS lost. You had 3 almost back to back procs of BBoY and you didn't Soul Burn + Soul Swap once. The final one even lined up with Meta Gem. Are you even tracking your buffs?! I do see that you were refreshing your DoTs during these procs, but you refreshed UA and Agony AFTER your BBoY and Meta had expired, which leads me to believe you were only refreshing to maintain uptime. Do you understand what snapshotting is? It's where you cast spells under cooldowns (namely DoT's in this instance) to capture or 'snapshot' those procs, and the DoTs will continue to maintain their power even once the procs/cooldowns have expired. You need to go and Download WeakAuras 2.0 from curse, then make a level 1 character on Al'Akir and add JoeG#2515 and I will give you weakauras for Dark Soul, Meta Gem, PBI and BBoY, and you can arrange them near the middle of your screen so you can track them properly. Some even have nifty sound effects :) Fix your UI and I'm positive you will see an increase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoamNatan 1 Report post Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) this is my UI really basic one i can see my procs but sometimes not all of them. i tried to use once with Weak Auras but it was quite complicated to me to config so i used Power Auras for a while but then i thought i don't need it because i can see it with elvui still crappy i guess here's what i do now: pre pot > dark soul > curse of the element > haunt > SB+SS (all procs up) > haunt agony, corruption, unstable affliction (manualy) > malefic grasp spam > haunt is that ok? Edited August 10, 2014 by NoamNatan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 10, 2014 No that is a terrible opener. You are using Dark Soul slightly too early and wasting a few seconds of it. You are also wasting time manually refreshing DoT's. I listed the correct opener for you above, but I'll write it down again if you'd like. Prepot and precast haunt at -2 seconds. SB+SS at pull Malefic Grasp to proc trinkets and Meta Gem Dark Soul then SB+SS to get medium buffed DoT's rolling Spam Malefic Grasp and maintain Haunt, saving one Soul Shard for 10 stack BBoY SB+SS one final time just before your first proc expires, usually either BBoY or Meta Gem Maintain Haunt and spam Malefic Grasp. Finally, if you want to keep your UI the same then fine, but PLEASE set up power auras to track Dark Soul cooldown and the ICD of PBI. Also run the ElvUi set up again and choose 'Integrated' for the 'Auras System' section. This will start showing your Buffs with bars that countdown, and makes it MUCH easier to see when stuff procs and judge how long you have left. Finally, I advise decoupling your cast bar from your unit frame and moving it under your AffDots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cardio33 3 Report post Posted August 11, 2014 I'd like to make one recommendation to that opener. I'd recommend souburning very early before the pull, 15~20 sec. Sometimes you can regenerate a full shard which helps keep haunt up on the opener. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 11, 2014 I mentioned it earlier but I left it out this time. But the trick is to ask for a 25s pull timer. It takes 20s for the shard to regen but the SB buff lasts for 30. This is the guaranteed method of gaming an extra shard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cardio33 3 Report post Posted August 11, 2014 I mentioned it earlier but I left it out this time. But the trick is to ask for a 25s pull timer. It takes 20s for the shard to regen but the SB buff lasts for 30. This is the guaranteed method of gaming an extra shard. Yea I notice a difference at the tail end of my cooldowns without that trick. Sometimes struggle to keep haunt up after refreshing a fully stacked BBOY. Shard usage: 1. first haunt 2. first SB:SS 3. Second SB:SS (trinkets/meta/DS proc) That fourth shard I'm never sure if I want to refresh haunt and gamble it will regen or play safe and use it on 10 stack BBOY and go without haunt for a few sec. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 11, 2014 I never gamble with the 4th shard on Haunt if I'm in a group with short pull timers. In main raid though I've managed to finally persuade them to do 25s when I'm playing Affliction (pretty much all the time now) so this issue is largely irrelevant. Having that extra Haunt up for the opener is absolutely huge for your DPS though and you should fight for your RL to allow it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Futa 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 You need to go and Download WeakAuras 2.0 from curse, then make a level 1 character on Al'Akir and add JoeG#2515 and I will give you weakauras for Dark Soul, Meta Gem, PBI and BBoY, and you can arrange them near the middle of your screen so you can track them properly. Some even have nifty sound effects Could you please post your WA strings for your proc/trinket tracker on pastebin, please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Bindings of Immerseus - 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Edit: Help, I tried to make them spoilers but it won't work! 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Orthios 271 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 Cool, will prob use these myself if dark soul is a general DS tracker. As for spoiler tag, try typing (minus the spaces). That is the general BBCode for spoilers, so it *should* work here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 Genius, ty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 Genius, ty. Your welcome. I figured IV used BBCode since most all forums I've been to do, and a few don't have the header with all of the options that IV does, so I learned a bit from that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Futa 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2014 Bindings of Immerseus - 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