Lockybalboa 618 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 I think as a team we all felt a lot of embarrassment. Especially when I posted numbers from lower geared raiders on the same fights that I found by searching all of your old logs. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krylian 5 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 oh I'm so stealing that flag from you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desos 18 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Apparently the Trolls were up early this morning and posting on Forums. I'm as confused by Zagam by that last comment. On an actual note, thank you everyone for the frank and blunt comments and analysis. We held a raid meeting last night and laid it all out on the line. Once the shock wore off, it generated some really good discussions about where people thought they were versus what the logs really showed and everyone seemed honestly interested in taking the advice to heart. The assassination rogue admitted he probably shouldn't have switched to combat mid raid without planning ahead and having his gear ready for the change and not practicing first instead of winging it. Other dps looked at their setup/macros and realized they hadn't made changes to them when they changed talents so they weren't working and they had never noticed. Hence it looking like they were randomly pushign buttons. Others admitted they we playing the way they always had since leveling and hadn't bothered to really learn the nuances of their class. Overall, once we did try raiding I saw immediate changes to everyone and our second pull on heroic malk we got him down to 15% by the 4 minutes. In past pulls he would have still been at 35-40% and I in a number of pulls I was suddenly sitting in 4th place on the dps charts. So It urged me to refocus and retweek my settings during break so I could climb back to the top. Overall I saw a huge improvement from the attempts with our dps all sitting above 300k consistently each pull. We still have a way to go, but the acceptance they all expressed in being willing to change or face the consequences convinces me that the people on these forums, although harsh sometimes, reallycan make a difference. Our Blood DK however was disappointed that no one commented on him so anyone want to give it a shot? :-D Ok, your first post left the impression, atleast for me, that your raid mates won´t consider getting help or accepting critique, but gratulations that everything worked out so well. Hopefully you will kill some more bosses before WoD drops. A little bit OT, but with such a huge knowledgebase present in this forum, it maybe would be nice to have a place/site/thread here for checking raid logs for the whole raid, not only classes or specs. Like it happened here by chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lockybalboa 618 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Zag and I run such a deal though our guild forums/site. He'll even schedule a mumble sit down with you so he can walk you though every thing. Semi-Respectable, Public Log Analysis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desos 18 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Always thought the link in Zagam´s signature is linked to the "Zagam´s fixing your dps"- thread here on IV. Nice though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,982 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 I think as a team we all felt a lot of embarrassment. Especially when I posted numbers from lower geared raiders on the same fights that I found by searching all of your old logs. :-) As far as the hunter, the dps went up from Monday to Wednesday by almost 100k just by focusing on the Kill Command, Rapid Fire and Focus Fire. There was slipping in the second half of raid as usually happens because everyone was tired but we've been talking off and on all day about ways to help with WA setups, and looking at macros to use. The only reason to be embarrassed would be if no effort went in and they expected different results. Some define that as insanity. Glad to hear your Hunter took some advice and applied it - I'm sure he's stoked to see a 33% DPS gain. I love hearing this because most people attribute gaining DPS by reforging different - this was entirely playstyle oriented and now he's in a much better place. Ok, your first post left the impression, atleast for me, that your raid mates won´t consider getting help or accepting critique, but gratulations that everything worked out so well. Hopefully you will kill some more bosses before WoD drops. A little bit OT, but with such a huge knowledgebase present in this forum, it maybe would be nice to have a place/site/thread here for checking raid logs for the whole raid, not only classes or specs. Like it happened here by chance. I don't maximize knowledge on every class, but I'd say I'm at 90-95% on every possible spec except healers, so I generally find glaring issues with a few and that fixes most. The other forum specialists here at Icy-Veins can likely provide more detail oriented things on finding the last 5%, but if someone's coming to me with DPS issues, finding the problems is almost systematic for me - I know exactly where to look. Always thought the link in Zagam´s signature is linked to the "Zagam´s fixing your dps"- thread here on IV. Nice though. Sounds like I do a poor job at advertising. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krazyito 521 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 I love that your team had the maturity to realize that there was something wrong with all of them and took the criticism positively and actually make a change as a whole. Its people and groups like yours that remind me why I help people here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
