Frost Death Knight 7.1

[Guest Mark Higgs]

Might seem like an obvious answer, but the gem/enchant page is still showing mutlistrike preferences. Should be mastery, correct?

[SparroTyrghymn 0]

Friendly neighbourhood nuisance here :3, with the glyphs can I also suggest Glyph of Empowerment, Glyph of Raise Ally and Glyph of Absorb Magic as they all add some handy to have aspect to spells and some greater mitigation 

[Guest Azoris]

Under the survial part of buffs etc, Shouldnt lichborne be in there? Considering the 10% leech.

[Vlad 411]

Under the survial part of buffs etc, Shouldnt lichborne be in there? Considering the 10% leech.

We don't include talents in that list :)

[h311ion 0]

In the introduction you say The Frost specialisation is currently marginally better than Unholy.

 

Is this true? Where does it show that? Every single sim and other website I've seen shows Unholy as the higher dps spec in both single target and AoE.

[Vlad 411]

In the introduction you say The Frost specialisation is currently marginally better than Unholy.

 

Is this true? Where does it show that? Every single sim and other website I've seen shows Unholy as the higher dps spec in both single target and AoE.

You are right about that. I'm updating it now :)

[h311ion 0]

You are right about that. I'm updating it now

It still says it!

[Xamnation 0]

Any chance on seeing this updated anytime soon to reflect the recent changes to HB, Obi, and FS...

As well as stat weights.

[Guest Giro]

Hello,  this post needs updating after the hotfix to Frost DK's on the 8th of December.

 

December 8

Class Tuning Changes

• Death Knight
  • Frost
    • Frost Strike's damage has increased by 7%.
    • Howling Blast's damage has increased by 7%.
    • Obliterate's damage has increased by 7%.

 

Did any of this actually change the who is best at DPSing, i mean on Noxxic unholy tumbled down BADLY and seems to be the worst dps spec for DK's..

 

So please relook at this guide. 

 

Thanks

[Guest Vishy]

Hello,  this post needs updating after the hotfix to Frost DK's on the 8th of December.

 

December 8

Class Tuning Changes

• Death Knight
  • Frost
    • Frost Strike's damage has increased by 7%.
    • Howling Blast's damage has increased by 7%.
    • Obliterate's damage has increased by 7%.

 

Did any of this actually change the who is best at DPSing, i mean on Noxxic unholy tumbled down BADLY and seems to be the worst dps spec for DK's..

 

So please relook at this guide. 

 

Thanks

Yeah Frost (2hnder) Is now beating out unholy. Guide needs to be updated to reflex this!

[VRDRF 9]

Also the stat priority seems off, I've swapped in items which should have had lesser stats (namely haste) according to the priority list but still give me a dps boost. So i'm a little puzzled.

[konexile 0]

Question about 2h frost, should I use frost strike instead of oblit to avoid capping RP when KM procs? 

 

Also a lot of times KM will proc as I'm pressing frost strike normally and consume the proc. Is there a way to avoid this or is it just luck?

[VRDRF 9]

I was having the same problem and installed weakauras with storm's frost rotation and I noticed that in his rotation he waits for obliterate to come off cooldown and use the KM proc only on obliterate and use Plague leech to consume your plagues and then use the excess runepower to reapply plagues with outbreak.

 

got a quite nice increase in dps!

Edited December 18, 2014 by VRDRF

[rodalpho 8]

I feel like I said this before, but don't see my comment here-- maybe it was on a preliminary version of the guide?

Anyway, the guide still recommends delaying attacks for Killing Machine. This is wrong. Both 2H and DW frost should not do that.

 

C'mon, Mendenbarr. Why do you keep putting that in your guides? You know damn well it's wrong. I've seen you say so on Twitter. Do the right thing and fix the guide.

Edited December 28, 2014 by rodalpho

[VRDRF 9]

So you say we should spam frost strike as much as we can?

[Guest Undeaded]

Can we get a new update on Statistics priority. 

 

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/356407-603-hotfixes-january-9/

 

**Frost

 

- Icy Talons now causes the Death Knight to gain 20% (up from 5%) more of the Haste stat from all sources.

 

This changes how valued Haste is pretty significantly, right?

 

[Guest inShaneity]

Question about 2h frost, should I use frost strike instead of oblit to avoid capping RP when KM procs? 

 

Also a lot of times KM will proc as I'm pressing frost strike normally and consume the proc. Is there a way to avoid this or is it just luck?

Ok I thought this was just happening to me or some lag issue. But nope. If you have a tendency of multi tapping your keys, this will happen, and it happens to me a lot! Don't know how to get around this except to be careful and not spam keys.

 

Also, why is blood boil not mentioned in the aoe rotation, to at least spread the diseases?

[Guest Pestilencos]

You HAVE to be careful.

Frost DK isn't about spamming keys. Search for a swift timer, it may help you a lot.

We don't use BB because it's not worth it for Frost DKs. Our blood runes are automatically death runes so we use them to cast howling blast. Blood plague is very unimportant (except in Bossfight, but only for plague leech) for us, so it's priority is low.

[Storm 426]

going to let Vlad know about the stat updates. I ran a few sims on different gear levels. Haste is definitely our top priority until at least around 1000. (Sims actually put haste as top priority even at 1354 haste in full mythic gear, but players are reporting lower dps from haste after ~1000)

 

T17 Heroic (670 ilvl)

at 700 haste, haste is around 20% better than multistrike

 

T17 Mythic (685 ilvl)

1354 haste, haste still comes out better in sims by about 10%, but players are reporting dps losses in actual boss fights by continuing to stack haste at this point.

 

I would recommend the stat weights should be:

Weapon DPS > Str > Haste upto 1000 > Multstrike > Haste over 1000 > Versatility > Crit = Mastery.

[Guest Kaioken]

I've seen a lot of guides stating that gem/enchant Multistrike for Frost DK 2h. I see were January 12th's hot fix from blizzard states: Stats towards the Secondary Stats for all spec's have 11.1% more effective (lvl 100 characters receive a 1% increase per 90 haste up'ed from 1% per 100 haste. Also Icy Talons now cause the DK to gain 20%(up from 5%) more haste stat from all sources.  Wouldn't this make Haste our secondary stat? It may not be a major dps increase, but an increase none-the-less.

 

 

[Connor 0]

I am new to the Simulations and stat scaling, so I apologize if I ask a redundant or stupid question.  Like the previous posts, the sims that I am running (I am Dual Wield) show that Haste was my primary stat until I got it to about 1000 and then Mastery jumped back ahead (and the sim showed a higher dps) with haste going to secondary stat.  Ask Mr Robot shows that haste should be my secondary stat, but it is telling me to change my gems and enchants to drop my haste to around 700, and put the 300 back into Mastery.  If I do this, my stats go to Mastery>Multistrike>Haste.  So I am wondering, does haste only apply as a secondary stat with BIS?  Just looking for opinions here from some expert Dual Wielders.  Should I stick with what the SIMs say and keep my haste at 1000 and defy Ask Mr Robot?  I have not really had a chance to test the haste increase in a raid, so I am not sure what to do.  One thing that bothers me with my old haste rating of 700 is it can take 2 or 3 seconds for Killing Machine to proc so I can hit Frost Strike.  So there are times when I am just doing nothing during a fight- which is really irritating.  So I would assume a higher haste rating will cause those Rimes to come quicker, but I am wondering if it is worth the trade off in a lower powered frost strike since I reduced Mastery to get to the higher haste.  Any advice/experience is greatly appreciated.  Sorry for the long first post.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Connor

[Nikolai 0]

hi,

in patch 6.1 necrotic plague received a damage buff. is it still the worse or way behind defile?

[Guest Dave]

Just FYI that 1000 haste in game would be seen as around 1200 haste, because of the 20% buff. So the number in game you want to aim for is 1200, which would equate to 1000 actual haste from items.

[Guest Alexial]

I'm finding that Defile for 2H isn't as overwhelmingly powerful for 2h as it is for 1h.  Necrotic plague is only about 600 dps lower in my 673 gear.  I took simulation craft's 2h heroic and 1 heroic setups and tested and it Defile had a lower percentage of damage done for 2h.  I'm assuming it's the lack of mastery on the a 2h Frost DK's gear.  To me, it just isn't worth the complications that using defile causes, such as if the tank moves the boss or you have a hard time using the mouse while meleeing (I do).  I use my num lock to execute attacks and it just isn't worth headache and possible rune caps to use it.  And the fact that necrotic plague simplifies your rotation, considering you no longer have to use plague strike and a targeted AoE, it's a win imo.  

[Guest Sverre Munthe]

Balefu Armament

 

For some reason I can't paste here, so it will be short and to the point

 

I got a 2-handed weapon when I bought this. Not even thinking about that possibility I went ahed and upgraded it to 695.

 

I got an answer from a GM (that I would like have liked to paste here) that basicaly says that this is acording to the game and that I might post it as a bug, but except for that there is nothing they can do.

 

Since 2-handed is out of the question for frost ATM I just wanted to warn others, playing the class, about this.

 

If you would like to help, please post it as a bug and ask for a new choise for armament, 1-handed Baleful Armament.