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Player Hearthstones Out of Hardcore Dungeon Group Because Tank Overpulled

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Here's an interesting Classic HC conundrum. A player hearthstoned out of a dungeon (presumably) mid-pull because they felt the tank wasn't pulling responsibly and they got scared of losing 20 hours of leveling.

Onuva_42 was doing Deadmines with a group and felt very unsafe with the tank's pulling, as he grabbed two groups after the healer said they were out of mana. Onuva then hearthstoned, presumably in the middle of said pull (it's not quite clear from the wording) and got some hate for it. In their defense they do ask the question on whether what they did was right or not.
 

Most players in the thread agreed it was the right move.

So what's your verdict? Did Onuva did the right thing? Would you even dare go for dungeons with randoms in hardcore?

There are also plenty of tales of players ditching a group both in dungeons and quests when they saw the shit hit the fan in the above thread, so it's definitely worth checking out.  On the flip side, we have someone who didn't hearth out and the results were... yea.

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The usual rules don't apply in HC. There is no second chance, so you do what you have to do to preserve your life. Let the haters hate and live to play another day.

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What this player did was right, when the tank goes hammer and tongs in a dungeon, and not taking into consideration the healers mana. Then yeah I would get the heck out as well, more so in hardcore mode where there are no second chances.

Have to wonder if the tank is also a retail player, where the tanks can pretty much pull a whole load of mobs with little issue.

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In fact, Onuva's HS is as reckless as the tank's pull. When you HS, you drastically reduce the chances the others survive the pull.
I find both actions reckless and I can't decide which one is more reckless than the other.

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On 9/7/2023 at 1:38 PM, Themisto said:

In fact, Onuva's HS is as reckless as the tank's pull. When you HS, you drastically reduce the chances the others survive the pull.
I find both actions reckless and I can't decide which one is more reckless than the other.

Think of it this way if the tank had not over pulled, and seems to have not taken into account the healers mana, then this person probably would not have bailed. The other thing is that in HC, once you die you have to start all over again.

The interesting bit is if you read the reddit thread, the replies from others pretty much agree they did the right thing.

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9 hours ago, Themisto said:

In fact, Onuva's HS is as reckless as the tank's pull. When you HS, you drastically reduce the chances the others survive the pull.
I find both actions reckless and I can't decide which one is more reckless than the other.

Hardcore is a different animal entirely. In retail, you die, even wipe, and just pick right back up where you were. In hardcore, death means 100% starting over. Items gone, gold gone, hours put into a character GONE. Protecting your toon is all that matters and by pulling while the healer was OOM, that tank put their entire party in jeopardy, justifying actions that in retail would not be tolerated.

Look at real life. If you are in a car with someone who is driving recklessly, do you stay in that car because others are there, or do you get out and protect yourself?

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5 hours ago, TheRagingwolf said:

Look at real life. If you are in a car with someone who is driving recklessly, do you stay in that car because others are there, or do you get out and protect yourself?

Your example is irrelevant, imho. In real life, your presence in the car doesn't increase the other passengers' chances to stay alive. In a dungeon, it does. That's my point.

So, the reckless tank endagers the team.
True.
But if a member HS in a middle of a pull, this puts the rest of the team in danger, too.
And I find it difficult to decide which of the two reckless actions is *more* reckless.

Btw, you have to be quite naive to keep all your money and not-bound equipment on your toon, knowing that it risks to die. In my case, I keep all this on a bank alt and never have more that 1-2 g on any other alt. If it passes away (*filtered* happens) I lose just the time to level, nothing more.
And to put this in perspective : we're talking about Deadmines, right ? Not a big deal to lose a 20lvlish toon, in my opinion. I've already lost at least 3 on the late 20s during PTR and -honestly- not a big deal. Anyway.
 

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1 hour ago, Themisto said:

Your example is irrelevant, imho. In real life, your presence in the car doesn't increase the other passengers' chances to stay alive. In a dungeon, it does. That's my point.

So, the reckless tank endagers the team.
True.
But if a member HS in a middle of a pull, this puts the rest of the team in danger, too.
And I find it difficult to decide which of the two reckless actions is *more* reckless.

Btw, you have to be quite naive to keep all your money and not-bound equipment on your toon, knowing that it risks to die. In my case, I keep all this on a bank alt and never have more that 1-2 g on any other alt. If it passes away (*filtered* happens) I lose just the time to level, nothing more.
And to put this in perspective : we're talking about Deadmines, right ? Not a big deal to lose a 20lvlish toon, in my opinion. I've already lost at least 3 on the late 20s during PTR and -honestly- not a big deal. Anyway.
 

The example is relevant as the discussion is about self preservation vs. sticking it out to save the team. You could make the decision to stay in the car and try to do something about the reckless driver, but there are no guarantees and it would likely end as bad as expected.

And sure, you can have bank alts to secure money and items, this is known and utilized by most if not all. The point was, HC is about finality. And that time you are so cavalier about? Well, plenty of people value their in-game time enough that they do not see it to be worthwhile to lose that time to a reckless tank. If you under value your time, then that is your business, but judging others for not wanting to lose it makes no sense.

Again, the tank caused the problem and it is left to the individuals affected by that poor decision-making to do what is best for them.

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