Niix 169 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 Is that 32% w/o raid buffed or with? Without. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reesaroni 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 You also missed a use of Crows by delaying it almost 30s. Crows should be used on pull before you use Rapid Fire. If you had the 5th use of crows you would've gained ~400dps. Outside of that you've got the rest of your self-analysis down, but don't hit yourself too hard for having missed 3 Chimaera Shots, nobody is perfect and focus/cast times don't always (rarely ever in my experience) line up nicely. Edit: Here's a log comparison of your log with one of mine from last week. And adjusted for time frame. The Crows delay was testing out what Niix had been saying, delaying crows until after rapid fire ends but with the short fight time on the butcher it might be better not to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atrais 38 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 The Crows delay was testing out what Niix had been saying, delaying crows until after rapid fire ends but with the short fight time on the butcher it might be better not to I believe what Niix meant was delay AMoC if it comes off CD during RF. If it comes off around the same time or before RF, use AMoC before RF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reesaroni 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 I believe what Niix meant was delay AMoC if it comes off CD during RF. If it comes off around the same time or before RF, use AMoC before RF. I was pretty sure he was referring to his opening and it looks like that's what he did on his latest normal butcher log but not on his Heroic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reesaroni 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 So I ran the sim again and it's actually saying that my normalized scale factors are as follows. .41 MS > .35 Vers > .34 Crit > .32 Mastery > .27 Haste Would anyone be able to verify this for me maybe something is wrong with my options in SimulationCraft, I just updated it today so there shouldn't be missing any changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strize 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 I'm thinking it may be beneficial to use AMoC during opener after CS, IF CS didn't proc ToTH. I'm still pretty green to simc, so i'm having a hard time figuring out the logic. Has anyone done this sim? Fights are also a factor in that debate as well. As an example on Tectus you want to delay AMoC in the opener and put it on the first small add, which guarantees a reset. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulgratron 4 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 So I saw the EotB reports of BM being nearly the same as MM on single. Considering that BM gear is pretty close to MM gear priority wise, has anyone tested it out yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 So I saw the EotB reports of BM being nearly the same as MM on single. Considering that BM gear is pretty close to MM gear priority wise, has anyone tested it out yet? 1) BM stat priority is the same as SV: MS > Crit > vers ~= Haste ~= Mastery whileas MM is Crit> MS, so the gear is not as close as you think. 2) I absolutely abhor BM myself, so I will not be testing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulgratron 4 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 1) BM stat priority is the same as SV: MS > Crit > vers ~= Haste ~= Mastery whileas MM is Crit> MS, so the gear is not as close as you think. 2) I absolutely abhor BM myself, so I will not be testing it. The stat priority is the same, but the stat weights are vastly different... Meaning that crit isn't nearly as bad for Bm as it is for SV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 They are not even remotely similar I don't know where you got that information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 So there is crit suppression after all? Doh. And here I thought they were done with unobvious mechanics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atrais 38 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 So there is crit suppression after all? Doh. And here I thought they were done with unobvious mechanics. Theres no crit suppression, Crit is less valuable than MS after 38% because of Careful Aim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Theres no crit suppression, Crit is less valuable than MS after 38% because of Careful Aim Am I missing something?.. why 38% (43% raid buffed), not 35% (40% raid buffed) then? Edited December 18, 2014 by Iridar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Am I missing something?.. why 38% (43% raid buffed), not 35% (40% raid buffed) then? 103% crit is 100% on bosses. Don't quote me on this pls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Crit suppression it is after all. Alright, I'll ask around, see what other mechanical people say. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atrais 38 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Sorry, thought you meant diminishing returns Edited December 18, 2014 by Atrais Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nez 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Just used my MM gear and simmed with Surv spec, netting me a 1,2k dps boost on single target over MM. Using the stat weights provided in OP and altered the gems/enchants accordingly on askmrrobot I lost 300~ dps compared to using MM stats/gems/enchants. Also gaining a 900~ dps boost by switching to BM over MM, using MM gear. What is happening? <.< Edited December 18, 2014 by Nez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Just used my MM gear and simmed with Surv spec, netting me a 1,2k dps boost on single target over MM. Using the stat weights provided in OP and altered the gems/enchants accordingly on askmrrobot I lost 300~ dps compared to using MM stats/gems/enchants. Also gaining a 900~ dps boost by switching to BM over MM, using MM gear. What is happening? <.< Askmrrobot's stat weights are bonkers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nez 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Well, I altered them according to the OP. So it wasn't askmrrobots "default" stat weights. Funny part is still though; by just switching spec using MM gear I gain dps both as Surv and BM over MM. Hotfix must've been that good :p Edited December 18, 2014 by Nez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Well, I altered them according to the OP. So it wasn't askmrrobots "default" stat weights. Funny part is still though; by just switching spec using MM gear I gain dps both as Surv and BM over MM. Hotfix must've been that good Any way you can link your armory? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nez 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmane/Thenez/advancedSimmed again now after raid with new pieces. Now BM and Survival are within 100dps of each other, while MM falling short 400~ of BM, being the top boss. Edited December 18, 2014 by Nez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulgratron 4 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 This is all in crit gear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmane/Thenez/advanced Simmed again now after raid with new pieces. Now BM and Survival are within 100dps of each other, while MM falling short 400~ of BM, being the top boss. I saw all that crit and I knew something was wonky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GloriousHunt 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2014 Any help on Hunter burst? I'm 659 ilvl and and with good ToTH procs I can get 40-45k burst at the start of the fight. I see Hunters a few ilvl's above me pulling 70k, how is this possible? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 19, 2014 Any help on Hunter burst? I'm 659 ilvl and and with good ToTH procs I can get 40-45k burst at the start of the fight. I see Hunters a few ilvl's above me pulling 70k, how is this possible? Follow this opener and get lucky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
