Niix 169 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 I still think that Serpent Sting should have its explicit place in the shot priority, because I refuse to believe we're supposed to consider it just an added side benefit to dumping focus with Arcane Shot. Well to be honest, your never going to go more than 10 seconds without an Arcane Shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 Well to be honest, your never going to go more than 10 seconds without an Arcane Shot. 1. You'd be surprised :D 2. What about newly acquired targets? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 1. You'd be surprised 2. What about newly acquired targets? Newly acquired targets should have SS applied to them as soon as possible, I suppose I could note that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 SV Talents are up. You may want to mention that Stampede and Crows are pretty close together, as this is what I get for a talent comparison with SV: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 You may want to mention that Stampede and Crows are pretty close together, as this is what I get for a talent comparison with SV: Crows and Stampede really aren't all that close together though. If you look at my sims, Crows and Stampede are well over 500 DPS off. Stampede is also easier to use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulgratron 4 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Quick question about SimC. With the latest version do I need to run any over rides or change any of the options regarding stat weights (outside of the basic pathwerk/reps/etc) to get accurate hunter sims or are they pretty well up to date? Edited December 27, 2014 by Ulgratron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 Quick question about SimC. With the latest version do I need to run any over rides or change any of the options regarding stat weights (outside of the basic pathwerk/reps/etc) to get accurate hunter sims or are they pretty well up to date? It should be mostly ready to go right out of the box. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 28, 2014 BM Talents are in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 28, 2014 Working on trinkets next Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minigun 1 Report post Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) My sims shows GT for survival is a ~100 dps upgrade over no tier 9 talent, while barrage is ~300 dps upgrade. SF+AMOC+NONE+FS = 25323 SF+AMOC+GT+FS = 25424 SF+AMOC+Barrage+FS = 25598 Maybe GT overtakes it with higher gear, but that is a hell of a catch-up. Edited December 28, 2014 by Minigun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulgratron 4 Report post Posted December 28, 2014 Yup, barrage still sims as the better option in single target for me as well. A shame considering it's a pain in the ass to use, but since I switched to stampede, barrage is much easier to deal with focus wise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atrais 38 Report post Posted December 28, 2014 Yup, barrage still sims as the better option in single target for me as well. A shame considering it's a pain in the ass to use, but since I switched to stampede, barrage is much easier to deal with focus wise. 100 DPS is far too low to convince me to take Barrage when GT is so much easier to use, especially when SV only has 100 Focus to start with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 28, 2014 My sims shows GT for survival is a ~100 dps upgrade over no tier 9 talent, while barrage is ~300 dps upgrade. SF+AMOC+NONE+FS = 25323 SF+AMOC+GT+FS = 25424 SF+AMOC+Barrage+FS = 25598 Maybe GT overtakes it with higher gear, but that is a hell of a catch-up. I'm going to assume that it's something with the APL you're using. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minigun 1 Report post Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I'm going to assume that it's something with the APL you're using. The new version of simc is showing Survival(SF+FS) GT at 0 DPS Gain over no tier 9, and barrage only a 50 dps gain over no tier 9. Which means it's not even worth using either single target imo. Sorry, but what does APL stand for? A programming language? I didn't change any settings in the simulationcraft, other than to enable scaling. EDIT: Also, how do you go about telling Simc to not use an ability? Say, if I wanted to test not using explosive trap with LW for instance. EDIT2: I think I figured it out. I edited the imported file, and just removed a line regarding to explosive trap. LW Survival: I would lose 250dps by dropping Explosive trap from the shot priority. 1% loss Edited December 30, 2014 by Minigun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Sorry, but what does APL stand for? A programming language? I didn't change any settings in the simulationcraft, other than to enable scaling. APL stands for Action Priority List, which should then be pretty self explanatory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minigun 1 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 APL stands for Action Priority List, which should then be pretty self explanatory. Makes more sense. I sure as fuck didn't change that, because I have no idea how. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GloriousHunt 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Any advice on level 100 talents for survival hunter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Any advice on level 100 talents for survival hunter? Screenshot from the guide you're commenting on Within the spoilers are the results of HUGE sims I did for every talent combination, including no use of a level 90 talent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GloriousHunt 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Just seems strange, I thought Exotic munitions with poison ammo would be the sort of thing for survival, or even lone wolf.Standing still for 3 seconds just seems like a burden, especially since Focusing shot could easily overlap the need cast Explosive shot, black arrow, Crows, Glaive toss and Arcane shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Just seems strange, I thought Exotic munitions with poison ammo would be the sort of thing for survival, or even lone wolf. Standing still for 3 seconds just seems like a burden, especially since Focusing shot could easily overlap the need cast Explosive shot, black arrow, Crows, Glaive toss and Arcane shot. Focusing shot was buffed to have 2.5 sec base cast time, raid buffed + some haste this is closer to 2.2, which isn't that horrible. Either way, the difference is not that big. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Just seems strange, I thought Exotic munitions with poison ammo would be the sort of thing for survival, or even lone wolf. Standing still for 3 seconds just seems like a burden, especially since Focusing shot could easily overlap the need cast Explosive shot, black arrow, Crows, Glaive toss and Arcane shot. Focusing Shot pairs well with Steady Focus really well. The fact that you only have to cast it once to maintain the buff just works well, along with all of the low focus cost spells. It tends to do poorly on movement fights and really wont get you away from the rooted style of play that MM has. If you wanna get out of that you gotta lose some DPS unfortunately. Pair Focusing Shot with Steady Focus. or, alternatively Lone Wolf and Thrill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eowiin66 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 From where comes this 43% crit cap ? Any explications ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 From where comes this 43% crit cap ? Any explications ? 3% is boss crit suppression (we assume it's still a thing), and 40% is what you need for Aimed Shot to have 100% crit chance during Careful Aim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghuerilla 2 Report post Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) A few rotation questions (Surv)... 1) How set in stone is the rotation priority going off this guide? Right now, AMOC and Black Arrow are given priority over Explosive Shot, while in the class guide BA>Explo>AMOC. I assume the former rotation was created because of the damage per execute time being higher for AMOC and BA but does this take into account potentially wasted LnL procs? Which priority should I follow? 2) How important is serpent sting uptime? It is not discussed too extensively in either this guide or the class guide so is it safe to just let it drop off if all the previous abilities in the rotation have constantly been coming off cooldown/lots of LnL for 15 seconds, especially with cobra shot (as opposed to focusing shot)? Or does arcane shot move up in the rotation when serpent sting is about to expire? 3) Similarly, how much priority do barrage/explosive trap/multi shot gain in a 2+ target situation? On fights like twins, specced into cobra shot, I scarcely have the time or focus to cast barrage/multi shot/explosive trap. Does explosive shot lose priority in this case, and will explosive trap/multi shot/barrage ever pass explosive in priority (including LnL)? EDIT: Here are some logs from a normal HM pug today (I am Extortation @ 641 ilvl): Butcher: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1rm62aPYR7DgM4bx#fight=2 Tectus: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1rm62aPYR7DgM4bx#fight=9 Twins: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1rm62aPYR7DgM4bx#fight=12 It is troubling that the difference in DPS for me between 1 target and 2 targets and 4 targets is so small for me. I feel that this may be partially due to my prioritizing serpent sting a bit more or less than I should, so if anyone has time to look at possible improvements to my cleave/AoE DPS, I would be very grateful. Edited January 1, 2015 by Ghuerilla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iscott 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2015 I had a question with my haste being like 12 percent and crit being 30 percent and my mastery being like 19 percent with multi at like 20 percent keep in mind these are all buffed what should I go for spec wise and here is a link to my character I'm just confused about if barrage is best for single target and if steady is better then thrill and if focusing is better then EM and LW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
