Shaman Enhanc, wtf happened? :/

[Stormsx 1]

Hey guys !

 

On the 5.3 Shaman Enhanc were one of the bests DPS in WOW, we had a huge burst, ascendance, etc..

 

On 6.0.3, if we look the 'Top DPS list' we are on 10th position or lower =/

 

What happened with shaman enhanc? Why so many Nerfs Blizzard? :/

 

Im realy thinking to up another class, once my focus is Pve. Apparently, Shaman enhanc is dead in Wod.

 

What do you think about that guys?

[lynx 19]

Enh was nerfed very badly. However, their AoE is strongest and this will probably be their niche (just like burst damage was in 5.4).

Initial impression from beta is that it doesn't seems so bad because there are many adds on boss fights, and the nature of FN is that it damages the boss back (if adds are positioned correctly). Just requires other people to pad less on them so that you can gain more effective damage on boss. However, orchestrating the ordeal just so that you can put out decent numbers on boss... If dps is an issue it's easier to bring another class.

Edited November 13, 2014 by lynx

[Stormsx 1]

Yes, im thinking to bring a Monk. Has a nice single and Aoe DPS.

 

But my heart says to continue with Shaman. But my brain (funny and afraid to be kicked in raids, cause actually we have a really low dps) says to bring a Monk. Its so confused and the expansion has beginned :/

[MandyRowlandKnight 0]

I am loving my enhancement shaman more than ever guys!! I mean I have loved her for 10 years but at the moment when I run with others, I am pulling 15K DPS more than what the person in 2nd place with dps is!!! I am not being funny, but do you have your rotation down to the dot?

[Scaver 1]

I can confirm that. It is possible to be on top of dmg/dps, 16k @ 630 is very possible!

[lynx 19]

I am loving my enhancement shaman more than ever guys!! I mean I have loved her for 10 years but at the moment when I run with others, I am pulling 15K DPS more than what the person in 2nd place with dps is!!! I am not being funny, but do you have your rotation down to the dot?

15k more on single target is possible only when the second person does about 1k dps. I highly doubt this statement.

However, if you have some insights into enh single target rotation please share it so I can update simc.

 

 

I can confirm that. It is possible to be on top of dmg/dps, 16k @ 630 is very possible!

16k is pretty much the roof of single target dps for enhancers at this ilvl. This is the lowest melee (not including tanks), while the next melee is some 2k higher than that (about 12%), and when you take into account that other melee classes have option to respec in order to benefit the raid better then next stop is at about 20k dps, which is 4k higher than enhance (about 25% higher).

 

Topping meters on trash is not very helpful, while relying on others (like I described before) to do good boss dps is just asking too much because it's much easier to bring another class.

Don't get me wrong, I love playing enh. It's a very fun spec with the exception of current lame excuse for ascendance and its dull animation (previous way way better). I liked its burst and off heals niches in 5.4, because they had real uses in boss fights. Now the aoe niche does nothing for the most part and off heals are all but gone.

Personally I enjoy raiding with friends and knowing that I don't slow the raid down. Being honest with myself 25% lower on dps than where I could be if I went with another melee class is slowing down the raid. Ele is even worse now. Resto works (not exactly the best healer, but at least it's not 25% behind), but that's an entirely different role.

Edited November 26, 2014 by lynx

[Shaymon 0]

I started playing Enhancement Shaman just before WoD came out so I can't talk about before but it seems (from what people are saying) that we are not performing that well at the moment. 

From what I gather - Enhancement Shamans are very gear-dependent. With ilvl 621 atm, I am struggling to be 2nd or 3rd on boss fights (average 9-10k dps with this gear). However, no one can top me on thrash (even though a small consolation prize...). Using all of the cds at the same time helps but I think we are just not prepared for the real game at this stage.

I am swapping everything for Haste stat and I've only got about 30% with 32% Mastery and some 20-25% Crit. So this is just not our time yet I would think. Perhaps with some better gear things will change. Nevertheless, this spec is awesome and fun to play, you can solo everything in the open world and I even endure some heroic boss fights from 20% down to 0 if the tank dies so I'm not complaining. 

Who cares if a Destro Lock does 60k crit and we do only about 30k (jokes). I would think that if you want high dps just get a caster, they will always perform well (i.e. Mage or Warlock). I was thinking of leveling a Shadow Priest (I've seen some good dmg from them) but caster has not just been my thing for all the years I've played WoW.

Best of luck!

Edited November 25, 2014 by Shaymon

[Scaver 1]

You all should make a difference between the "nice looking results" from simcraft and so on and go into the game and see it by yourself.

The values of all calculations are only a benchmark... u can be under or over it and it often depends on the situation.

 

First fact: No class do more aoe at trash than the enhancer at the moment. This is because of using "Liquid Magma" for trash. It's low cooldown allows u to use it often on trash and it will be ready before u are at the next encounter.

Use it together with "Elemental Mastery" an u will see how powerful Liquid Magma can be.

 

Second fact: With a good played anhancer you can be on the top of singel target dps. Enhancer is not only to do an rotation or a prio list... u have to choos in every situaton what is the best choice and think, like on chess, 2 or more moves in the future,.. and if u know the encounter it is not very difficult.

I am often on #1 with 14-16k in HC dungeons and I rarely seen others doing more (only one or two times up to 18k, but never seen more)... ok u can say that the others can't play their class/char... but than that would be very very very much of them.

The most players I know can't reache the top values of their class from simcraft and sources like that. But I know a few who can.

But I don't wan't to say, that the enhancer is the best dps class. To say that were not true. But u can be on the top even among other high class players if u do it the right way.

 

Third fact: We had a very very strong heal support in 5.4x... it really feelt like an enhancer should. Now we don't have any heal support that would count. But we can still support.... purge, interrupt and nuke adds (for my information there would be enough encounter with adds in the next 2 raids, so that aoe add bombing would count as enhancment for the raid).

 

 

Alle these facts depending on which gear u have. Wearing ilvl 630+ is not enough.... you have to get it with the right stats.

If you have 630+ but always Crit and Vers on it... you wouldn't be on top in dmg/dps... as it always was and will be, you have to work on your gear and farm that one with the right stats and than u will see, that u can do a lot more dmg as before.

[lynx 19]

@Scaver

Yes, most people don't do simc dps, but this is true for enhancers as well. So a realistic dps you're looking at is lower than what the benchmark says (at least on single target). If you're topping meters (again only single target) in your group then you're definitely not the weakest link, much more so if you're enhancer.

But what it truly means is that you're not all that worried about clearing the content pre nerfs (or until better gear becomes available). It's 100% fine. But you have to understand that if you pug as well it does put you at a disadvantage. For instance in 5.4 it was a very rare sight to see sub rogues/arms wars/mm hunters/holy priest/demo locks/mw monks in pugs, not because all of them sucked and were unworkable with, but because they paled in comparison to their other specs and people were aware of that. It didn't matter if you were the ubber master of your spec, it was just "respec or gtfo".

Currently for shamans the only spec that functions out of the box (and it's not op by any stretch) is resto.

 

And just for the kicks, I'm currently gearing up a priest (because holy/shadow combo hell ye!), and at 610 I do about 12-13k with shadow (and of course I do a lot of mistakes along the way). That's a full 20 ilvls below 630 with gear that is far from optimal (I'm really grabbing anything I can put my hands on, vers/crit whatever).